Peewhit Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I learned to fly on an aileron version Middlephase which was a superb machine and has now been given to a very good home and is still flying. The satisfaction of flying something that you have "built" as opposed to just installing the gear is very gratifying , and I do miss that balsa bashing experience. Hence, I am very tempted to go for a Phase 6 (symmetrical wing version) for aerobatics in a good blow. I do have some mouldies, RCRCM Typhoon, Wizard Compact and DLG Blaster 2 which all perform very well indeed. I suppose that the question I am really asking is what is the flight performance of the Phase 6 like for out and out aerobatics, or do I go for another reasonably priced mouldie machine such as the Voltij? Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r6dan Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The Phase 6 design is as old as the hills.. The Voltij, Guppy, Le Fish, are all really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin watson Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 guppy from leading edge gliders or its big brother le fish the guppy is on the ridge aeros i have a ripmax stargazer that is like a phase 6 it is no comparison or try a small mouldie micro floh etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I've built and enjoyed 3 Phase 6's over the past 20 years, with both the Sport and Pro wing. They are of course fully aerobatic when fitted with rudder (I did build 2 of them without the rudder fitted for simplicity) but they are limited in capability when compared to more modern designs due primarily, IMO to the light wing loading and also the wing section. I think well ballasted on a good slope it would still impress - for a certain type of smooth flowing aerobatics. You could chop 5" of each wing tip to improve the wing loading and give it a bit more go. You will need to consider where and how to add ballast over the CoG - with the elevator and rudder pushrods traditionally running in the fuz under the wing seat there is no room (you could put micro servos in the tail these days of course!) But even ballasted it will never match the pace or efficiency of some of the more modern moulded sports models. But like you say - it gives you some traditional building scope - no fun in gluing in a few servos to an otherwise finished glass wing and fus. Go get your Phase 6, modify it to suit modern RC setups and enjoy the PVA and epoxy on your fingers!! Edited By Phil Cooke on 10/02/2011 22:46:10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I've not flown a Phase 6, but there is definately something about that design that is just lovely. I've had a close look at a fully glassed version where the wood shone through the clear, tough and very tactile resin - gorgeous! I think this design is a right of passage for us slopers. Go for it I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrico Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Iv,e flown a couple of phase 6,s ,and they are nowhere as good as a voltij or wasabi ,but if you want to advance your aerobatic skills without the higher cost of the mouldies think about an LEG Fish or Guppy. A modern aerobat that will soak up the punishment when learning new tricks(. Ask how i know ). Iv,e got or had all these models !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Satinet Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Peter, If you want something for the joy of building, I would take a look at this: http://www.zaerotech.com/za_z55.htmhttp://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1319583&highlight=zip55 I have the 33 and it's a great kit, which I am building at the moment. Having had a middle phase I would say this kit is on a completely different level. It's amazing! Maybe not aerobatic enough for what you want though. Also the phase 6 is pretty old, I mean would really fly it compared to your typhoon? I had a voltij and it is a very aerobatic machine (a classic). The build of those aeromod planes is certainly a challenge, although not a satisfying one like bashing some balsa. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 forgetting about turning this thread into phase 6 V the rest....i would say go ahead pete and build a phase 6.....the one's i've seen fly ... do as it say's on the box 100%...and seem to inspire a lot of glider guider's....... ken anderson ne...1. home of the HTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peewhit Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thank you gentlemen for all your responses. It seems to come down to Le Fish, Voltij or Phase 6. I am looking for a "classic" model with good aerobatic performance. Le Fish has the performance, but all that foam and sticky stuff? Had plenty of that with the Fusion, Bedlam and Blizzard. The Voltij is a classic and seems also to have the performance.I am tempted by the carbon version with flaps and a stronger wing joiner.Having just paid the taxman, two car services, two car insurances, and with the other half wittering something about a holiday, at £500 it would have to wait a while. The Phase 6 is definitely a classic with reasonable performance, and it has that lovely smelling wood fus to build, all for less than £90. Suppose that, in time, I could always go for both. Decisions, decisions, and I can nearly smell that balsa and ply already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r6dan Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 If it helps I was going to build a Phase 6 but was talked out of it as it would cost maybe £200 to get in the air! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Satinet Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 like i said it will not be as good as your typhoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peewhit Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Four servos, Specky receiver, switch and battery. May have to work an extra day to afford all that. Alternatively, could go on holiday to Egypt and sell the wife for a few camels, then sell the camels to buy the gear. My main concern is the cost of the poofilm, but if I glass it spray paint is cheaper. What about the Voltij then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 poofilm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 i would keep the camels and get rid of the two car's......the one's with two hump's are the best runner's according to 'enrico'.........anyway.....off to the shop and get the phase 6......you cant take it with you......so spend,spend and spend...... ken anderson ne...1. pm enrico for advice about the camel's........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peewhit Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Sorry Phil, bit of a typo It should have read Profilm. So how many miles to a gallon do you get from a two humped camel then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peewhit Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 I was so close to pressing the buy button as Sussex Model Centre and then thought do I go for the Sport version or the Professional with symmetrical wing section. Any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultymate Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 All the "in the know" glider pilots I've talked to about this reckon the "sport version with the semi-symmetrical section flies the better of the two. I have to admit having no first hand experience though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Lloyd Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I've also heard that semi wing is preferable as it is more versatile in a wider range of conditions. You could buy both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Binnie Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Here's the build thread of mine from last year: Phase 6 I was told that the symmetrical wing 'pro' version needs a big blow to maintain height so I went for the 'sport' version. I glassed everything so it came out a tad heavy but it doesn't seem to hurt the performance at all. I haven't really had much chance to fly it but the few goes I have had I enjoyed. The first flight was just supposed to be a test glide but it kept going, was not going to land before the crest of the hill so the best thing to do was push out into the lift and carry on! Caught me by surprise as I thought it would plank about 20ft in front of me. Cheers Gary Edited By Gary Binnie on 12/02/2011 19:55:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peewhit Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 It looks like the sport version then. Thanks Gary for the link. Your build thread is very impressive indeed. Think the servos are going in the wings though. The question now is do I go for two wing servos and spoilerons, or split the ailerons and have flaps and crow braking with four servos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Smith 7 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I was really hoping you'd go for the Phase 6 !!! I'd have one in a shot if I (1) had access to slopes again, and (2) had the competence to handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r6dan Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Argh... I know I shouldn`t but you lot have me wanting to build one... *must resist* Also a little birdy tells me there may be a mouldie phase 6 coming out ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin watson Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 a mouldie phase 6 that might be more interesting then sanding. but i love the way my guppy flys on the slope edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Smith 7 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Posted by r6dan on 13/02/2011 16:55:43: Also a little birdy tells me there may be a mouldie phase 6 coming out ...... What would be the advantage, would it just be for ease of building or would there be some performance gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r6dan Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I`d loooove a Guppy, one of the local slope masters fly`s one and it is tanfastic!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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