Gary Vinten 1 Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Thanks Bart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 THis is my take on Gary's styling (With Gary's permission. 46"span, 437 Sq, In aea. Weight 3 lbs 6 ounces. Power is OS 25 FSR. A really fun machine. Fast and very aerobatic but will not bite. Does everything but will slop spins etc instantly on release fo the sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 That looks very nice Peter.......at 3 pound 6 ounces it must be just right for conversion to electric........ I look forward to seeing the plan published somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Some time in the future it will proably be in the same magazine as Miller's Tales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Peter I really like the "team racer"front end .Have you used a SLEC square X-section tank .I've got all your plans and I've come to the conclusion I should buy a few SC30 Fsts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 No, I used a 4 ounce Sullivan Slant front tank. Yes, I like the SC 30 FS. Now is the time to look on Ebay. There are some four stroke bargains there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Vinten 1 Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Posted by kc on 20/02/2013 17:36:49: That looks very nice Peter.......at 3 pound 6 ounces it must be just right for conversion to electric........ I look forward to seeing the plan published somewhere. Hi KC If you look in the first part of the post you will see i have already made it electric and a fine machine it is to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Peter That's the tank I meant (senior moment again) .I have never used EBay & would rather pay for something I can be sure of to serve its purpose .Cheaper in the long run . Having said that,have you got any worn out ones on E bay ? I'll have a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Garry Looks like the dogs doodahs, really good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Vinten 1 Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Hi Peter Can we see a photo of the underside please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Gary. You wish is my command I wanted to be sure that I knew which way up it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myron Beaumont Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Peter Looks like you're using your tried and tested bell crank aileron system .If I'm correct in thinking ,it's the first time you havn't inclined the engine at 45 degrees or so for obvious reasons . ie team racer type front Could you tell us the %age wing section please -Looks like about 15 or 16 % at a guess from the photos .I personally just love the "semi-symetrical "section where the top surface is just slightly more curved than the bottom.This design is made for flying n'est ce pas (sorry Pete B ) No silly cockpit semi scale etc and even easier to construct . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Wing setction is NACA 2412. 12%. Yes engines is vertical because it makes a neater cowling for the shape of the fuselage. If you see my new design coming next month, I have started placing the engine on its side with a channel in the bottom right corner of the fuselage for the silencer. THis makes life a little easier with regard to tank location etc. and actually looks a lot better. I like the bellcrank system as explained elsewhere. Another reason when using strip ailerons is that if the horn is at the root one can get the aileron twisting so that it is less effectcive out at the tip. Edited By Peter Miller on 21/02/2013 08:39:06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Vinten 1 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hi Peter Iam a little lost on this post are you making a new swamp rat with a side engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Gary, my comment about electrifying Peters model was a little joke because I knew it was originanlly electric and that Peter prefers IC....... However there was a serious point because at 3 lb 6 oz it appealed to me. A 350 watt motor and a 3S lipo would perhaps make a reasonably aerobatic model ideal as a 'hack' to keep in the car. But your 5 pound model needing 6S and 1000watt would not appeal to me but it might to others. There seem to be very few, if any, plans for models like yours ( Gary's version ) so I strongly urge you to consider drawing up a plan and trying to get it published. I reckon many would like an easy to build 'missile' type aerobatic model of about 49 inches specially designed for electric. Perhaps David Ashby will read this and comment....... I wonder how many others read Swamp Rat and thought of dragsters......Don Garlitts wasnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Posted by Gary Vinten 1 on 21/02/2013 15:03:46: Hi Peter Iam a little lost on this post are you making a new swamp rat with a side engine! No Gary. I was talking about the system that I have started using such as on Oodalallay and another model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Posted by Gary Vinten 1 on 21/02/2013 15:03:46: Hi Peter Iam a little lost on this post are you making a new swamp rat with a side engine! No Gary. I was talking about the system that I have started using such as on Oodalallay and another model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Posted by Gary Vinten 1 on 21/02/2013 15:03:46: Hi Peter Iam a little lost on this post are you making a new swamp rat with a side engine! No Gary. I was talking about the system that I have started using such as on Oodalallay and another model. Edited By Peter Miller on 21/02/2013 18:20:53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Vinten 1 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Hi All How many of you would be interested in a plane for the electric version of the patriot with ether foam wings as i have built or built up wings as peter has built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanR Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Very interested. Looks great and I'm particularly interested in your comment that its very stable in strong winds (but I think I'd have to change the colour!) Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Vinten 1 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 It would be nice to see lots of them in lots of colours models do look different in other colours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 My vote is for built up wings. Not many people cut their own foam wings now and they cost a lot from commercial sources --high postage too. Laser cut ribs for the built up version would be more popular. There are numerous plans for IC models of every size and type, but not too many aerobatic plans specially designed for brushless motors with Lipos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Vinten 1 Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 hi kc built up wings would be ok and laser cut parts would be good I am now working on the plan with peter for the electric version so the more people who want it the more chance i have to do it ! so keep them coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Built up wings would be lighter too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Are we talking about an electric version of the Swamp Rat ( 46 inch / 437sq inch) or a plan for Gary's model ( with the Patriot logo ) which is 49 inch span 542 sq inches? I have to say I favour an electric Swamp Rat but I reckon there will be many who will want the Patriot and use a 6S lipo etc. Will the Oodallaly be an RCME plan or better still a pull out RCME plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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