Johnny Kirkham Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hi chaps, after drooling over the Panther plan in this months RCM&E I went onto Ebay to check out suitable motors etc and came across these autogyro kits and thought id share them with you. Check out these links, what do you think? the videos look good to me. Autogyro 1 and Autogyro 2 Johnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Jones Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I like , I think this year will be the year that will see a large proportion of model flyers flying Auto Gyros and i for one would like to have a go at one this year too . I have 4 plans now and a broken Auto Gyro that was given too me as the guy could not get it too fly . Oh what am i too do Edited By Stephen Jones on 08/02/2013 00:41:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Kirkham Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 I must say Stephen I really fancy a go at the Panther.....Id prob make the IC version Johnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Wright 2 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Johnny. If you are trying to decide on a first Autogyro ,I feel confident the Panther would be more suitable although the kits you posted looked good,but maybe not so easy to fly for a first timer. Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Wright 2 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Posted by Stephen Jones on 08/02/2013 00:37:03: I like , I think this year will be the year that will see a large proportion of model flyers flying Auto Gyros and i for one would like to have a go at one this year too . I have 4 plans now and a broken Auto Gyro that was given too me as the guy could not get it too fly . Oh what am i too do Stephen. What is the damaged one ? It might be an Idea to repair it, get it flying ,as a prelude to flying the love and care that's on the board . Tom,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruprect Spode Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Autogyro's apart, following the links on the OP, I came across these.**LINK** I am quite excited about the possibilities of these counter rotating systems and shall plan for a Gannet to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Kirkham Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hi Tom, after reading the threads on here and the mag Im sure your dead right in saying the Panther will be more suitable for a gyro novice like me. Also Ive just noticed they want £60 postage from Latvia which makes it quiet an expensive kit for a first timer. One thing i did notice was the prop set up on this **LINK** from the photo's it looks like they have put 2 props on at 90 degrees to each other to make a 4 blade prop? never seen that before has anyone tried this?? Johnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Parsonage Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Read the specs and they state it uses a HK contra rotating motor. Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Jones Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hi Johnny , Yes i have tried two props at 90 degrees and works fine i had to get the maximum thrust out of the smallest diameter for a canard twin bipe . so i did some test 1st with great success . I also did a video of it working but sadly i have deleted it from Youtube . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Jones Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Tom , I will take some pictures tonight of the broken Auto gyro i have fixed the fuzz but not covered it yet but looking at it i know why it would not fly . All will become clear when i show the pictures . Cheers Steve , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruprect Spode Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Posted by Ruprect Spode on 08/02/2013 09:27:55: Autogyro's apart, following the links on the OP, I came across these.**LINK** I am quite excited about the possibilities of these counter rotating systems and shall plan for a Gannet to start with. It would seem my post above has not been read or it would have been noticed that I was drawing attention to HK's selection of counter rotating power systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Don't waste you're money, my mate over in USA bought one of the C30's and has had no luck with it. After this video the chap who kits it tried the counter rotating set up in an attempt to eliminate the torque from the single prop set up. I have not heard of any other of these models flying . Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Smith 7 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Just a generic model autogyro question. I think all the pictures I've seen look as if the cyclic control works by tilting the whole rotor hub, ie not in fact as a cyclic at all. Do any kits or designs use a cyclic pitch control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Wright 2 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Posted by Ruprect Spode on 08/02/2013 13:15:48: Posted by Ruprect Spode on 08/02/2013 09:27:55: Autogyro's apart, following the links on the OP, I came across these.**LINK** I am quite excited about the possibilities of these counter rotating systems and shall plan for a Gannet to start with. It would seem my post above has not been read or it would have been noticed that I was drawing attention to HK's selection of counter rotating power systems. RS The thread is about Autogyros .The contra rotating aspect can be related to certain designs ,but I guess your "Autogyros apart" opening comment, might be the clue. Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 What actually did go wrong on the take of? Or what should he have done. When I looked at the take off, the modeller seemed to have full opposite rudder to the direction of the turn, was this wrong. Once of the ground, if he had just piled on full power, would it have gone up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Williams Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Tony - Cyclic control is a term from helicopters, where the blade pitch varies or 'cycles' as it rotates to give to assymetric lift on the rotor disc to generate pitch and roll. Autogyros have simple fixed pitch rotors that are not capable of 'cycling', so the term does not apply. The rotor disk acts like a wing and the whole disk is tilted in the required direction to generate pitch and roll. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I cannot see a reason why cyclic control could not be used, other than it is complicated solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Erfolg, There are a few examples of cyclic controlled autogyros mentioned in last months piece. The like are harder to spin up and the swash paddles have to be increased in area to help with cyclic control of a slower blade (compared to a heli). This type doesn't require high torgue servos so cheaper standard units can be used. Horses for courses Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Here you go, perfect example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Williams Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 OK, I stand corrected. All of my experience so far is with full-size gyroplanes, not models yet, and they all use a two blade teetering head with direct tilting of the head mounting. Very simple and not much to go wrong. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Richard, it is the Captain who had doubts about cyclic controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Sorry, I must get my eyes tested agggaiiin! Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruprect Spode Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Posted by Tom Wright 2 on 08/02/2013 14:53:39: RS The thread is about Autogyros .The contra rotating aspect can be related to certain designs ,but I guess your "Autogyros apart" opening comment, might be the clue. Tom. I was referring to the comments on propellors by Johnny Kirkham and Stephen Jones after my posting which was to share subsequent information for the benefit of others. Perhaps my investigations are not worthy of note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne young Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Does anybody make an artf auto gyro would love to fly one but have to many models on the building board to take on another project.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Jones Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hi Tom , Still in keeping with the thread title Panther or one of these and in replay to tom , I have 4 auto gyro plans Fire fly 2 Panther free pull out plan Crane fly and one i bought a while back Alls auto gyro which has contra rotating blades , And here is the damaged Auto gyro . And you can see why it would not fly , but is it worth fixing or do i build a new one and i would prefer a auto gyro without wings , i suppose this could have a mast fitted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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