Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Like the tolerance and acceptance that Nigel Farage got in Edinburgh, when he was told to 'go home to England'? As well he should as that's where his brand of fascism appears to gain most acceptance. Frankly, we really don't need his racist opinions up here. After all, we've got bigotry to keep us busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Geezer Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yep! Both of us went out to vote quite early this morning. (SWMBO & me.) Always do. I have always maintained that being able to vote is an enormous privelige - and anyone who moans about those govern on our behalf, but don't bother to vote them in or vote them out - have no right to to any opinion whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by GONZO on 22/05/2014 17:56:05: . I'm a white IC3 (think thats the correct classification) born just outside St. Albans and grew up at the Elephant and Castle. But, when I moved to the the 'Black Country' 14 years back I suffered extreme REGIONAL prejudice to the extent that when the locals heard my London accent I was abused in public. The climax of this was when I sold my house in Amblecote one of the purchasers removal men wanted to have a fight with me at 11:00 in the morning just because I was from London. I've subsequently learned that there is some sort of v/long standing bad feeling/grudge held by the 'Black Country' people towards Londoners. That's rather scary - I'm marooned in deepest Shropshire at the moment and have to pass through the Black Country on my way home - and I was born just outside St. Albans as well! I have deep reservations about widespread postal voting although having had to be away from home unexpectedly due to a domestic emergency has meant that I was unable to vote this time. P.S. Was that the E&C in South London or the pub on Nomansland Common, Gonzo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i12fly Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well said Graham C and Gurth. It is important to vote even if you only spoil your paper. It shows the politicians that you care. Voter apathy encourages our wretched politicians to do as they please knowing that no-one is going to bother getting up and voting them out. It seems to me that no-one should be allowed to enter politics until they've lived in the real world had a proper job and studied history, maybe then there will be some common sense instead of spin to win their point -no matter how damaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich too Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by Gurth Scriven 2 on 22/05/2014 23:59:24: Yep! Both of us went out to vote quite early this morning. (SWMBO & me.) Always do. I have always maintained that being able to vote is an enormous privelige - and anyone who moans about those govern on our behalf, but don't bother to vote them in or vote them out - have no right to to any opinion whatsoever. what, by voting someone else in that they don't want either? everyone is entitled to their opinion. the problem is that politicians do not stick to their manifestos - as another poster said, the manifestos should be binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Anthony Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I didn't vote, mostly because I can't be bothered finding out who stands for what. You'll get things that annoy voters from any party in power; not everything they do can be good. In a way, they cannot win. With that considered though, I'd say I'm pretty happy with the way the country is at the moment. I pay my taxes, and seem to be looked after enough accordingly. Perhaps I am just naive. p.s. - I just did what everyone seems to do on the subject of politics; gave my own views, without even considering the views of anyone else. Didn't read any of the second page, sorry! Edited By Chris Anthony on 23/05/2014 08:08:39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Skilbeck Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by GrahamC on 22/05/2014 20:06:23: I just did.... [Vote!] Despite all my uncertainty about who I should cast my vote for, and my disquiet about all of the parties, I'm glad I did. There was no machine gun armed goon preventing me from accessing the polling station if I didn't look like I would vote the right way. There was no manufactured long queue designed to prevent the wrong local people casting their vote. There was no pressure to cast my ballot in any particular way, and certainly no pressure for me to disclose my vote. There was no-one offering to cast my vote for me, or take my ballot away and 'put it in the ballot box for me'. I had to fold my ballot and place it in the box myself. There were no security cameras recording my vote. There was no pressure or manipulation. And when the votes are counted, mine really will matter, and the winning candidates will be elected. And though things may not be all that we want or wish them to be, I'm reminded again that what I did tonight is a distinct privilege denied to billions of people across the globe. I may be unsure about the choice offered me, but I'm very grateful to be able to make a choice. Thoughtful moment over! Edited By GrahamC on 22/05/2014 20:07:31 It's for posts like this that we need a "like" button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 The thing which annoys me more than anything else with all of this politics stuff is that the politicians can claim, knowing they are not entitled nor have earned, expenses often with impunity from prosecution. A simple ban for ayear isn;t good enough. Lord Hanningfield knowingly claimed up to £30,000 a year doing this but they only watched him for 11 days and simply barred him for a year. What about the fact that he was jailed previously for fraud, didn't learn his lesson and claimed more fraudulent amounts? He still says he did nothing wrong with these fresh claims? If these episodes were us normal folk we'd be prosecuted in a heartbeat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wright Stuff Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by Rich2 on 23/05/2014 07:22:52: Posted by Gurth Scriven 2 on 22/05/2014 23:59:24: Yep! Both of us went out to vote quite early this morning. (SWMBO & me.) Always do. I have always maintained that being able to vote is an enormous privelige - and anyone who moans about those govern on our behalf, but don't bother to vote them in or vote them out - have no right to to any opinion whatsoever. what, by voting someone else in that they don't want either? everyone is entitled to their opinion. the problem is that politicians do not stick to their manifestos - as another poster said, the manifestos should be binding. Have to say I agree with Rich. Having the right to vote is an enormous privilege, which we should all be grateful for, but if somebody chooses not to vote, well, that's their right too! In many ways, I believe if somebody genuinely has no preference, then an abstention is better than a random vote for the sake of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Fledermaus Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Well, I think it's a absolute disgrace that Meerkat can come over here and get a cushy advertising job. It should have gone to a British rodent like a vole. Edited By Colin Ashman on 23/05/2014 09:06:03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by GrahamC on 22/05/2014 20:06:23: I just did.... [Vote!] Despite all my uncertainty about who I should cast my vote for, and my disquiet about all of the parties, I'm glad I did. There was no machine gun armed goon preventing me from accessing the polling station if I didn't look like I would vote the right way. There was no manufactured long queue designed to prevent the wrong local people casting their vote. There was no pressure to cast my ballot in any particular way, and certainly no pressure for me to disclose my vote. There was no-one offering to cast my vote for me, or take my ballot away and 'put it in the ballot box for me'. I had to fold my ballot and place it in the box myself. There were no security cameras recording my vote. There was no pressure or manipulation. And when the votes are counted, mine really will matter, and the winning candidates will be elected. And though things may not be all that we want or wish them to be, I'm reminded again that what I did tonight is a distinct privilege denied to billions of people across the globe. I may be unsure about the choice offered me, but I'm very grateful to be able to make a choice. Thoughtful moment over! Edited By GrahamC on 22/05/2014 20:07:31 Given the ludicrous anti UKIP bile spouted by certain corespondents here, what you describe above is exactly what we'd have if the hard left were taken seriously in this country. Thankfully, most of us are too sensible to be taken in by the excesses of both Left and Right leaning views and that's a powerful moderating force that makes our country unique. The danger is that our tolerance is being exploited for political expediency and 'pet' agendas and if anyone has the temerity to say "hang on a minute", the predictable nonsense from the 'usual suspects' get an airing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by Cuban8 on 23/05/2014 09:04:55: Posted by GrahamC on 22/05/2014 20:06:23: Given the ludicrous anti UKIP bile spouted by certain corespondents here, what you describe above is exactly what we'd have if the hard left were taken seriously in this country. Thankfully, most of us are too sensible to be taken in by the excesses of both Left and Right leaning views and that's a powerful moderating force that makes our country unique. The danger is that our tolerance is being exploited for political expediency and 'pet' agendas and if anyone has the temerity to say "hang on a minute", the predictable nonsense from the 'usual suspects' get an airing. If, by this, you are referring to myself and the one or two others that have expressed opinions on our perceptions of UKIP policies, you should, perhaps note that we were commenting on a political party and NOT those who choose to support it. You, along with everyone else on this forum, are entitled to their own opinion and if you choose to support UKIP, that's up to you. However, the use of phases like 'bile spouted by certain correspondents' and 'usual suspects' probably says more about UKIP supporters than I ever could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericrw Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It`s getting personal now !! Moderators; it might be time to finalise this post !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 OK everyone, nothing personal please. We yet may decide to delete a couple of posts above. This is a forum about model planes remember! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONZO Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 'Corrupt democracy or benign dictatorship' - Discuss. That should keep everyone busy for some considerable time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Fledermaus Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Never discuss politics or religion with friends, it always leads to tears and tantrums!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename-John Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by Colin Ashman on 23/05/2014 11:25:31: Never discuss politics or religion with friends, it always leads to tears and tantrums!! If you never discuss politics nothing will ever change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddock, VC Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Posted by Chris Bott - Moderator on 23/05/2014 10:48:19: OK everyone, nothing personal please. We yet may decide to delete a couple of posts above. This is a forum about model planes remember! I actually made the OP in the chit-chat forum which says "anything off-topic etc etc" My motive was to find out if any people on the forum had actually taken the trouble to vote. But, and this forum isn't alone in this shortcoming, the thread drifted into areas where I feel you mods should exercise your duty and block the thread completely. I don't believe that you should censor posts that express opinions after all, that's one of the practises totalitarian regimes facilitated, including some that are still repressing folks today. BTW God Bless Tywysog Cymru. (that's the Hinterland in me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I'm not sure what you're asking for there, Braddock. On the one hand you're expecting the mods to close the thread - in the next sentence you're saying we shouldn't censor posts. Which is it? I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to answer your original question without using it as an opportunity to get on a soap box or vent one's spleen. The use of the word 'bile' was enough to start it on the almost inevitable downhill slope - it only takes one word to get folks' back up, as we've seen, so all we ask is that posters think before they type. OK, we'll end up with a very watered-down political debate which is probably suitable for this forum - if you really want a political dust-up, there are plenty of other places. I think Graham C's post was one of the best I've seen here for a while - a reminder of just what we all-too-easily take for granted. Right now, I think the world is becoming a very angry, dangerous place - far more so than I can recall throughout most of my life - and, TBH, I don't envy my children or grandchildrens' future, the way things are going. Let's be nice to each other, eh? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil May Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Nope.No bigger lie than a politicians promise....in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braddock, VC Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Pete B, close the thread as it stands, no further posts but allow people to read what has gone on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It was worth a try.... done. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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