Danny Fenton Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Excellent news Martin, sorry for the mild coronary, must have been the angle of the pic Do you know Mick Reeves is working on a bigger one (Fournier) Cheers Danny Edited By Danny Fenton on 07/10/2014 17:52:24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Price 2 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Thanks for the comments, I'm enjoying this build and learning new tricks all the time. I wonder what sort of timescale for completion do some of you have ? For those interested, the MR RF4 is a really nice build, no problems that I recall regarding the actual build, all the pre cut parts were good along with the moulded parts and the undercarriage which is a brilliant bit of kit. I would say I'm 2/3 there with it. Had some issues installing the U/C operating linkages but the build log on RCSB and guidance from Fatscoley helped resolve that. Currently in the process of converting the rudder control from pushrod (which has some play) to a closed loop setup. Here's a couple of pictures - perhaps a bit of inspiration to those who are tempted !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Herron Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 That's it now committed wood pack on order along with plans etc so now need to clear the decks in preparation and looks as though ill have some catching up to do. Thanks Danny i'm looking forward to this one, i have to say its one on my list. Nige. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 Spent the day in the workshop putting the elevators together, seems to have gone OK, nice fit but lots of planning and sanding to do to get the correct leading edge and tip shapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 Well, after a couple of days doing the bit I least like I think I have got the best I will achieve in regard to elevators and rudder, not as good as Dannys but good for me. This was the elevators part sanded / shaped. I found the ribs pretty much the right size And completed, there is a small gap of just under a mm between the shroud and the elevator but I'm pretty pleased with the result, hopefully the covering will reduce this a bit. And the rudder, again a small gap And my oleoe's arrived from HK - only 75 days ! Edited By Martin Fane on 10/10/2014 17:36:24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 Hi All If anybody is interested in obtaining one of the elevator joiners, I spoke to a very nice chap at Flair models today, they were out of stock but he is making some more up. Seems he is happy to sell direct to the public although the website suggests they only supply the trade., quoted £1.50 +PP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Nice one Martin, those looking closer fitting than mine Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 Thanks Danny, if I could figure out how to take a closer picture you would be able to see the truth !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi All Decided I could watch no longer and set about wasting some time before going for the wing build by cutting out and preping all the wing parts. Parts kit seems short of a couple of rib 1 doublers and the center section rib 1 so marked these out for cutting. then joined up the trailing edge parts and centre section B laminated parts. Note the joiner lurking in the background ! No more excuses so following the guidance in Dannys blog I set out the wing joiner using a couple of rules between the joiner / rib 1 area and the tip rib which was set at the required distance of 2 and 3/4 inches. This is what my layout suggests is the joiner error And finally a bit of glue Appreciate any thoughts / comments - have I messed this up ? If so at least there's not too much to take apart at this point. Think I will relax and enjoy the Guy Richards Spitfire restoration programme recorded on C4 lastnight, coffee and biscuits too of course !! Edited By Martin Fane on 13/10/2014 10:38:37 Edited By Martin Fane on 13/10/2014 10:43:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Looks good to me Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Martin, watch out the 2 3/4 is at the tip of the wing not the tip rib! But yes looks great Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Danny Whoopps ! Do you think thats worth undoing things for ? I can see my wing will have a little too much dihedral. I was thinking back to your blog where I thought you were measuring at rib 18, should of concentrated on the plan - I can see its plain as day now where the 2 3/4 is measured at !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi Martin, I did originally measure at rib 18, I thought it was 63mm however that was by extrapolating that little drawing on the plan. The little drawing on the plan is WRONG GRRRR!!! if you compare the wing tip profile with the height of rib 18 its very different. So I made a false wing tip to measure the 2 3/4 up against Sorry should have made it clearer..... Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 OK, I just measured and it looks to me that by continuing the line out to the tip then I have 1/8 inch too much dihedral. Think I will have a coffee and decide whether to redo it. Thanks for your help Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi Martin, how would the line compare to the cut line of the centre section? remember I got this wrong so you are the opposite of mine Mine was too low. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 So after much head scratching trying to figure out the correct distance at rib 18 to give the correct dihedral of 2 3/4 inches at the tip here's what I now think: Using rib 18 profile it looks like the tip centre line to set the dihedral at is 8mm higher than the bottom of rib 18 lower spar (lower) surface so taking that off 2 3/4 inches gives 62 mm Setting the straight edge from the joiner to 62mm high at the tip appears to give me 60mm height at rib 18. And looking back to the joiner the error now shows as Danny suggested. Any thoughts / comments before I commit to glue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 That sounds about right my 63mm was before i had realised the tip was thinner than rib 18. Well done Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Danny Does 60mm tie up with your rib 18 measurement ? Having rechecked my joiner and re-secured it to the plan the error is not as large as my previous picture shows, its about a mm lower than the joiner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Sounds like you are as close as you are going to get.... Its not much anyway Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Hi All So, started assembling the first wing panel as per Danny's master plan, found a couple of ribs slightly undersized so have added a couple of strengthening strips at the LE to rib joints at those locations. Both leading and training edges are nice and straight. Trial fitting the joiner parts after sanding to shape. The observant of you may spot my deliberate mistake - don't think it will be of any consequence (I hope.....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Nothing that the scalpel cant correct you have made good progress CheersDanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Danny, you identified the upside down TE then !! And I had prepared and got the correct one ready, got distracted, went back to the workshop and what do you know, I picked up the wrong one and fitted it !!!! Looks to me like the TE is pretty much symetrical so just a case of re cutting the slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Yep i spotted it cos I nearly did the same! As you say its a fairly straightforward fix, a few scrapes with a permagrit rat tail CheersDanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Walters Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Martin I didn't spot it! 10-1 I do the same even tho' I know about it! Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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