Phil Cooke Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Is it a 3 piece foam wing Pete - with the double bandage one either side of the centreline?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Yes it is Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Still on course for the weekend Peter? Looks like she's close! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 The snakes on this model are at an angle, and the tailplane in particular is anhedral, thus the plan recommends ball joints to attach the control snakes as can be seen here - not clicked in yet to await the fixing of the servo. You can also see the camouflauged circuit board control horn which works well. One can see above how transparent the Solarfilm is - one can see the grey plastic tailcone and where the join is - not good. Edited By Peter Garsden on 06/10/2014 12:05:50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 I know I posed the question as to whether I should cover the sides before gluing on the jets. I opted to cover it, and then preparte the surface to glue to. I think it was the right decision. You can see that I have painted the surface with Prymol. One can see how it makes the surface matt ready for either recovering or painting, or indeed glueing to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Strangely, my prymol doesn't seem to affect the surface at all after I've painted it on - I always paint mine onto silver solarfilm though. That way, if I get a chip, it looks like aluminium under the paint (well, sort of). Hmm, wonder if I have a dodgy batch? it's fairly new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 One can above that there is a snake for each elevator, which has to be joined somehow with one feed going to the servo. I saw this handy joiner and ordered it. Unfortunately, when it arrived it was for 3mm studs and sleeves and could not be adapted for my 2mm system. It is American and they talk of 4-40 and 2-56 instead of using millmetres - so beware. So I had to scrap it and come up with something else. I looked in my bits box and found some brass strip, so I drilled some 2mm holes in them, opened them out slightly with a round needle file, and managed to force the 2mm steel studs to thread the holes. They now seem secure, as you can see from the photo below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 I am very annoyed with myself actually. I had the front windscreen to apply. It was under such tension to get it round the bend that I decided to use cryano glue. I had read that the fumes it gave caused blooming, but I didn't think it would be as bad as it has turned out. It looks awful, but there is nothing I can do now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 I am fairly sure I will be able to complete by weekend but there is still a lot of work to do. I have attached the wind ready to fit the jets. Obviously there is the under wing fairings and the jets to do, then the wing covering and the trim to cut and fit. I have also decided the redo the aileron servo fittings. It just won't work fitting them on their side, side by side as previously shown. I am going to mount them as suggested in the plan - vertically with a smaller hole right through the wing on bearers. Much neater. I will have to cover the existing hole at each side and put in new bulkheads to line the edges. I will also have to widen the hole slightly. Won't be too difficult. The servo cable fitting is too high and won't work as it is configured at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Finally, there are some trim bits which one cuts out of a polycarbonate sheet supplied eg the aerial, the wing strakes, and the tail strakes.. I decided to glue the pattern to the backing sheet, and then cut out with my Dremmel Fret Saw. Tonight's job maybe. One can see how the jets are supplied. One has to cut the ABS plastic parts carefully file them to size, and superglue them together with little tabs. I read about this system in an article about pilots which come in two halves. It gives the glue something to key to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 she is coming on nicely Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 Great weekend at the Orme. Thanks Phil as usual for the great organisation. Great company, good laugh, but no wind - shame. Some good thermalling this morning and good flying with my very light Vulcan bomber yesterday. Have not had the time to post any pictures so far, as was up tiill 2am on Friday trying to finish. This picture shows my revised aileron servo installation which goes right throught the wing and is much neater. There is a hatch which fits over the top. This is the underneath of the wing. It was commented that having aileron horns under the wing may be asking for trouble but we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 These photos show the finished model - well almost. Still have some white trim underneath to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Garsden Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 I had real difficulty stretching the red solarfilm round the side vents. They are black plastic which shows through, so I gave them 2 layers, and then glued the underneath to an old cut off paint brush, which I put in the vice, but worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Model looked great Pete - Ill email you some shots soon which you can add here as you wish. Good to catch up this weekend, well done on your Vulcan flight, one of a very few successful PSS missions in the light lift!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share Posted October 25, 2014 Just to finish this one off here is the finished model with not so hansome owner on the Orme on the weekend we couldn't fly due to not enough wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kettle 1 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Great looking model Pete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 very nice peter - well done from this end of the patch... ken Anderson...ne...1 construction dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 superb looking model Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim C Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Cracking Job!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Oh dear dear dear dear me - what a day's flying - went up to the Gate up Leek to fly three models. My Hawk which went first, then my Voltij, then the JP - never flew the JP because the wind became very gusty and about 30mph, also had to get back because Keith also crashed his Middle Phase and had nothing else to fly. When I arrived the wind was about 20mph and smooth - ideal for flying the Hawk, though the slope really isn't up to it - needs the Orme really. I launched, and everything was fine. It was freezing and snow on the ground, so I decided to land, which I did easily - great landing - a greaser. I then decided to fly as I was being a wimp. So I launched again - nothing. No control at all. It had switched itself off somehow - still don't know how. Should I have done another pre-flight test when it had just been working fine? The switch is a pull a wire for on and push off for on. The model I thought was just going to land, then the gust caught it, and cartwheeled it snapping the fuselage in two,, snapping off a tailplane, cracking the canopy, and cracking one wing. I was really annoyed but pleased that it wasn't pilot error. Annnoying though. These are the pictures:- Looking on the bright side what are the positives:- I have just finished the Mustang and have nothing on the bench - not started the Tornado yet so am "in between girlfriends" The fuselage is foam and will glue together quite easily. The crack on the wing will glue together easily with some reinforcement from a ply brace. I had used cryano under the canopy at the front and it looked awful with white blooming which I can now clean. Phil had said replace the front bit which is separate. I can do that now - also I had melted part of it with my iron, so ti probably will look better than it did when finished. It is repairable I'm going to a funeral on Wednesday so it could be a lot worse - family relative that is not an aeroplane. The thing I am worried about is that it took the back off my receiver which may be damaged. Also I don't know how it managed to switch itself off. I checked the switch after the accident and it was still switched off. I thought that the landing had somehow switched it off, so how can I stop it happening again? I may be an electric fault somewhere but we will see. Edited By Peter Garsden on 11/01/2015 20:31:02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sorry to see the results of that Pete - Im sure you'll soon have it patched up and looking better than ever! I hope the Rx proves to operate OK - I've had the covers knocked off one of mine in a crunch once before, following a good visual inspection for impact damage I replaced the cover and gave it a thorough trial run on the bench - its all worked fine but obviously I would still advise a lengthy trial on the bench before you recommit yours to a model. As for the switch - if you're in any doubt, simply replace it. Why risk a model for a piece of kit costing you less than a fiver? What dictated the need for the pull/push arrangement - just scale finesse? Don't take the risk - buy yourself a conventional switch and mount it on the top just behind the canopy - it wont get any accidental toggling up there during the launch process. Edited By Phil Cooke on 11/01/2015 22:22:43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Bummer Pete. Im with Phil on those recommendations - .y old crunchie hawk suffered several mishaps over the years including midairs and almost write offs but almost always ended up better after the repairs! I fitted my radio switch in one of the engine intakes - which were blanked off - all painted black it was damn near invisible.Good luck with the repair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 What a shame Pete Hope to see her in the skies soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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