Jez Harris 1 Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 Posted by Gary Binnie on 18/12/2014 00:01:24: Looks odd at the front Jez, are they a matched pair? Know this area well, heavy landings crack the bottom fitting. Oh---that will teach me to work too late into the evenings..well spotted Gary!! Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Binnie Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I'm paid to spot tiny differences in my day job! Who hasn't made two right-hand fuselage sides?!!! Out of interest the full-size Tiger uses square section steel tube for all the longerons and round section tube for the uprights and diagonals. It's used on Harold Towner's plan which I'd like to have a go at one day. Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ok then...nothing built last night due to- A - being absolutely cream crackered..I was asleep by 8.30!! B - having recieved some cracking documentation from a really ace mate - Cheers John (Fly Navy!) and also recieving a photo Cd I ordered from Ebay. First the books.. The obligatory Haynes Manual.. This cracker by Michael Jerran. PIlots nots and a DH82 book by Aeroglide Classics. This photo CD is from Oz..its packed with photos of aircraft in various states, photos of individual parts and engineering drawings of all the components.. I can see me spending an awful amount of time reading all of these weighty tomes.. They have already helped me decide on various bits!! Result! Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 I have done a bit tonight.. Firstly I corrected the blooper from the other night - I had glued one of the braces on incorrectly so nothing major. These supports are now painted and ready to be put into storage until required. I did this for two reasons - firstly to check the paint I mixed was right - secondly because there are lots of bits of this build that can be fully prepared and simply bolted on at the assembly stage. I have also decided to do away with the supplied ABS centre console. Its really heavy and a bit too rounded off. Here is the part as supplied.. Here is a photo of the real part... So I spent a bit of time tonight cutting two matching sides from lite ply. This will hold all of the servos for the rudder, elevator and engine. I will be making it fully removable - it will eventually be bolted in place from underneath. I havent shaped the front end of the sides yet as there are a couple of different ways of doing the front cockpit so I have just left them over-length for now. Finished work until the new year so will be able to get a wriggle on now!! Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly-navy Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Still looking in with interest, methinks this will bring a lot of enjoyment and l will learn some new ideas from the build. Jez the first pic on your latest post the longest leg on the RH one looks a different size material to the opposite one or is it camera angle giving the illusion of that or should it be narrower, If I'm wrong I'll keep me trap shut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Posted by fly-navy on 19/12/2014 22:42:01: Still looking in with interest, methinks this will bring a lot of enjoyment and l will learn some new ideas from the build. Jez the first pic on your latest post the longest leg on the RH one looks a different size material to the opposite one or is it camera angle giving the illusion of that or should it be narrower, If I'm wrong I'll keep me trap shut Its OK John....critique away.. They are both identical though..tis just the camera angle and one is propped up on a 2" block whilst t'other is on 3mm ply piece.. Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly-navy Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Jez, if there are no decals, instrument logo's etc don't get buying /ordering any until I have been able to get over to see you during xmas break. Had some interesting sheets given me today. covering 1/4, 30% and 1/3rd scale models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Posted by fly-navy on 20/12/2014 18:13:11: Jez, if there are no decals, instrument logo's etc don't get buying /ordering any until I have been able to get over to see you during xmas break. Had some interesting sheets given me today. covering 1/4, 30% and 1/3rd scale models. Blimey John - thats the only thing I havent got and you've already sorted them! Cheers!! Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Reynolds LaserCraft Services Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 What a beautiful kit, and a cracking build to boot will be following with great interest, love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert Jones 14 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 A beautiful kit that will make a beautiful model! I will be watching with interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 Got a bit more done.. The side frames had to be cut through at 2 different places and cracked to enable them to be pulled into the classic moth fus shape. All of the fus is made from spruce so there was a lot of cutting ever so slightly over legth and sanding back to exact length. All of the joints are re-inforced with 1/64th ply - the key here is lots of glue to create a really strong fus - its as if its made from steel girders! Quite nice to look at though. Thats it for a couple of days - not looking forward to Christmas as my little girl wont be home - she is autistic and going through a bad patch at the moment - the build up to Christmas creates anxiety which she cant deal with. We are taking Christmas to her at the residential centre she is currently in - never had to do it before but Christmas is about who you are with not where you are. See you soon Happy Christmas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hooper Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Jez, Good to see your Tiggie progressing so rapidly. On the other hand, I'm truly saddened to hear about your daughter's troubles. It's always odd when you you discover that the fliers you meet at the field and at the shows, actually have real-life family issues at home. tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg shaw Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I truly hope you and your lot have the Christmas you and they deserve Jez. Family first. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 My best wishes to Jez and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 Hmmmmm.. So far I have followed the instructions to the letter. However, I have been doing some perusing of pictures of moths under various stages of construction and I just dont think the strengthening plates on the outside look either right or any good. The plan definately calls for them.. Not just on the sides but also on the top and bottom of the fus. Leaving them on would cause huge problems fitting the turtledecks later on, and they would have really shown through the covering - something the full size dont appear to have. I think they would have been better off recessed into the framework, but this would have been a major undertaking. As I already have added the plates to the inside of the fus for strength, then I dont feel it will effect the strength. I notice the model shown in the photo from Ian also has none of these plates fitted. Out with the power sander then!! Jez Edited By Jez Harris 1 on 27/12/2014 19:33:50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 Bit more metal work then - This time some aluminium. These will be the infil plates under the horizontal stab. They needed a bit of work first..a 90 degree bend at the bottom where they screw onto the fus and a bit of shaping at the top. To add the chamfer at the top I held them against the rounded edge of the workbench and worked them with a block of hardwood. A finished pair. And in place on the fus.. Bit more brass coming up! Jez Edited By Jez Harris 1 on 27/12/2014 19:55:01 Edited By Jez Harris 1 on 27/12/2014 20:01:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Some brass sheet... Folded to make the brackets for the back end - these bits are just some of the brackets that will hold the vertical stab and the the tailplane on. Then a couple of aluminium brackets were added to the fus.. Next a couple of cut outs made in the side frames. ...for yet more bracketry.. These are part of the anchor points for the u/c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Next up I had to cut a couple of slits in the side frames to allow the rudder bar to exit the fus.. first bit of chain drilling.. Then a couple of careful cuts I really should have done all this before assembling the side frames! Next I added a couple of 6mm square rails that will take the oil tank later in the build. Finally a bit more woodwork with the addition of a couple of formers. These needed loads of work as the supplied ones were a little bit..err mishapen - I will post pics of the "befores" later.. Finally for now..a stringer..no wait its THE stringer..there is only one in the entire back end..I'm a little worried this will leave the rear turtledeck weak..Its only 0.4mm ply so very fragile..It is supposed to be purely supported by a fron and rear former, the single stringer and a balsa former approx a 1/3rd of the way back (this former is part of the luggage locker) hmmmmmmm.. Jez Edited By Jez Harris 1 on 28/12/2014 09:00:41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Amazing kit of what I think is the perfect looking aircraft............. Keep up the good work Maybe some vertical posts from the lattice frames to the single longeron to support it a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan alldritt Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Nice bracketry! The one that's secured at the fin post where the longerons meet looks from the picture that it is at an angle to accommodate the tapering fuselage sides but is shown in ano with parallel 90 degree bends - or is that an optical illusion? How do you get your bends so crisp? Keep up the good work!! ATB Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncebounce crunch Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Very nice build indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Posted by alan alldritt on 28/12/2014 09:15:06: Nice bracketry! The one that's secured at the fin post where the longerons meet looks from the picture that it is at an angle to accommodate the tapering fuselage sides but is shown in ano with parallel 90 degree bends - or is that an optical illusion? How do you get your bends so crisp? Keep up the good work!! ATB Alan Just an optical illusion Alan - it does indeed taper to match the fus sides. To get the bends crisp I use a piece of steel in the vice - I clamp the brass and the steel together - fold it over then gently tap with a hammer. Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Squeezed in a couple more hours this afternoon First off some metal work - before I can add the front turtle deck I need to permanently attatch 4 clevises (Clevii?). because they will not be accessible when the decking is added I need to ensure they are not going to come undone. Out with the drill press and away with the pins... These are stainless 3mm ones so it took a bit of doing! With the pins off, I replaced them with 2mm nuts and bolts. Then it was back to the decking and some formers..here you can see the rather odd shape of the supplied ones. - luckily they were oversized so I could sand them back to the proper shape. To ensure they were equally on both sides, I got one half as i wanted it, then traced round it on some scrap paper.. I used this as a template to guide for re-shaping the other side.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Moths have a Sutton harness for each pilot and these fit to a metal cable arrangement that runs in a groove in each back rest...... To replicate these its just a case of cutting an oblong hole in each former and lining it with some 0,4mm ply. With one of the supplied backrests in place to check.. Next up, to give the ply something to stick to, I added 2mm strip to the edge of the longerons - it had to be placed 0.8mm back from the edge to allow for the width of the ply itself..sorry - poor photo! First piece of turtledeck in place! Thats all for now - Anne is out clipping her pony tomorrow (not - thats not a euphemism!) so I should get a litle bit more done. Jez Edited By Jez Harris 1 on 28/12/2014 19:42:45 Edited By Jez Harris 1 on 28/12/2014 19:46:05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Harris 1 Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 A little bit more done today.. First off some metal work..This will be the front step and one of my smaller "bending blocks". A quick line up in the vice and a quicker tap with another metal block and the hammer.. Nice crisp 90 degree bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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