F3A / 3D cross from reliable manufacturer ?

[Paul Turner 2]

Hi all

I am an intermediate skill level pilot with experience with acrowot, and stinger edf. Looking to purchase next model that is suited to F3A style but capable of 3D manoeuvres. Want something that really grooves, for example when flying inverted doesn't require any (or very little) up stick to maintain the same altitude, and has lots of control authority (especially rudder), as my acrowot has neither of these attributes. Also lots of vertical power. My budget is £350 max for ARTF airframe. I already own 3S, 4S and 8S lipos so something using these would be best. Looking for something fairly large, maybe span of 1500mm or thereabouts. Any recommendations that fit the bill from good quality reliable manufacturer ? Seen a few models such as Fliton Inspire that look like the right sort of pattern.

Many thanks

Paul

[sgwlm]

sebart angel comes straight to mind,

one of my favourite airframes

Edited By sgwlm on 05/11/2016 11:32:13

[chris Bond - Bondaero]

Firstly I must declare in interest because this is my business but have a look at the sport and practice planes here

**LINK**

MX2 61" also worth a look

[cymaz]

Posted by chris Bond - Bondaero on 05/11/2016 11:37:00:

Firstly I must declare in interest because this is my business but have a look at the sport and practice planes here

**LINK**

MX2 61" also worth a look

If you've got it - flaunt it

[Paul Turner 2]

Thanks guys, they all look like good options. I have also been looking into biplanes. If I could find a model that ticked all 3 boxes - F3A, 3D and biplane then that would be great. Question is if a F3A biplane is too much to handle for an intermediate flyer?

I'm looking for a plane that will enable me to become more confident and progress my skill level. (less money in the air usually makes me more confident ! )

What would quality be like for £350 ? can I get good quality for less ?

One other question, does a larger model mean more stability? Is a larger model easier to fly ?

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[Colin Carpenter]

Sebart Miss Wind . Pricey but fits the bill! Colin

[chris Bond - Bondaero]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yplUhpmCD7s&feature=youtu.be

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBIU2pX3pt4

 

http://www.modelflying.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=85312&p=57

 

I think these tick all of the boxes. Choice of either wood or composite 5s-6s

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[iqon]

slick

[The real Ron Truth]

Sebart are so light they are capable of 3d but not to the extent you can go mad. Extreme flight are popular for both but you need to be very careful with the landings as they are fragile. The angel was great and in my view better than the wind s. Stronger and slightly lighter.

Most 60 sized ( 5-6 cell) models will also be dependent on the weather and won't like a breeze.

i would recommend the angel with a 6 cell set up. Dumfries Models import them and they won't disappoint.

[Paul Turner 2]

If I were to go for a Sebart Angel in 50 size, could I use any of my lipo's ?

I have..

2x 4S 2200 35-70C, 2x 4S 2650 25-50C, 2x 4S 3300 25-50C, 3x 8S 4500 35-70C

Thought I had 3S but dont. 3x 6S lipo's would add a fair bit to the bill!

what IC engine would be suited ?

[Bob Cotsford]

My mate Dave swears by Angels with a .90 four stroke in them.

[sgwlm]

angel 50 is 6s lipo,

you could buy 3s packs and double them to make a 6s, but also use them in any airframe that take a 3s pack.

I have an angel 30, and use 3s and 4s packs, just change prop to suit which way I want to fly on the day, or what the wind is like.

with all the 4s packs you already have, get an angel 30, you wont be dissapointed

also have a look at some of the Precision Aerobatics stuff

Edited By sgwlm on 05/11/2016 23:56:59

[Paul Turner 2]

Noticed that the angel 30 is ?168.50 on kings Lynn vs ?207.08 on Dumfries. Quite a difference...are KL reliable? It says on order ?

[cymaz]

I have had several engines etc..from Kings Lynn Models. Always been first class. Even when I have had to wait for stuff to come in they always shipped quickly and kept me informed.

[Colin Carpenter]

Sebarts have been on offer at KL M for ages. I recently bought a Mytho 30 from a Danish shop - no problem. Can't find it though ! I too have an Angel 30 and I must admit its my favourite model - very precise ! You will have to use Dumfries I think. But you can get free stickers !!!!😂 Colin

[iqon]

Shop Hepf,I havent used this shop yet......

[Bob Cotsford]

Kings Lynn are a first class shop for web orders, you won't have any problems with them. I use them quite often.

[iqon]

double post , sorry, computer slow ?

Edited By iqon on 06/11/2016 13:29:45

[Paul Turner 2]

Angel looks good, how much better is the Angel than the Wind ? Looks like I can get the Wind at around £45 cheaper. Vanquish worth considering? any equivalents from other manufacturers that haven't been mentioned ?

[Paul Turner 2]

Thanks for all your advice

I've opted for the Angel 30e as I had the lipo's and it was a fair bit cheaper. I think I'll see how I get on with it and if I like it, maybe I'll spend more money on the next model. I'm sure it'll have much better flying characteristics than my acrowot brick !

Paul

[Colin Carpenter]

Excellent choice ! Watch the u/C fairings. They can dig back into the fus ! Colin

[sgwlm]

excellent choice from me also,

the 1 thing I did not like on the angel (and other sebart that I have or built for customers) is the linkages, it is the only part that I change, but it is personal preference.

[sgwlm]

[Steve Colman]

I also agree with Colin and sgwlm re the Angel 30 as an excellent choice.

It's a dream to fly and has no bad habits whatsoever. A tad fragile in places but as long as it's treated with some due care shouldn't be a problem. I fly mine on 4S as my motor is a little short on power on 3S.

I too had doubts about the linkages too, both on the Ange,l and the Shark from Sebart and my intention was to change them. But, they've stood the test of time and proved to be fine. I do agree however, that the alternatives shown in the pics above would be a more secure option if one was so inclined.

[Peter Jenkins]

One thing to remember Paul is that trimming is an essential part of sorting out an aerobatic airframe - actually, any airframe! The single most powerful trimming tool is the CG position. For the Angel, having to exert a small push on the elevator when inverted is about right. As you won't have any adjustable incidence on the Angel the only other solution is to resort to mixing to get, for example, a true vertical down line hands off. Mix a small amount of elevator, usually down, with fully closed throttle. Make sure that you adjust motor thrust line to give as true a vertical climb as possible and the up/down thrust to eliminate any nose up/down pitching with application of power.