Niall Reynolds Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 So Richard. What are you saying??Totally confused?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Wills 2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I wouldn't buy an asp/SC 52, far and away the worst throttling engine I have come across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Thanks for that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Nial. The answer to you question is YES, kit built models are stronger than ARTFs. Mainly because of the way they are designed. In ye olden days you built a kit, flew it and crashed it. Then you had to rebuild it. So it made sense to build it strong in the first place. With an ARTF you buy it. Fly it. Crash it and then buy a new one No building skills required. This suits people who are cash rich and time poor. It also benefits the people who don't have the capabilities to build their own, oh and the Far East economies. I have no axe to grind against ARTFs, as they offer opportunities to people who want to fly. I myself enjoy the building part of our hobby as much as the flying. This goes back to when I was a kid at school and we made things. These days hand/eye coordination in education seems to only involve moving a cursor around a screen. Other coordinated education appears to involve hitting a ball with something, either body part, or stick of some sorts, Though if you are musically inclined, you might be lucky and someone show an interest in you(as long as you can prove you won't hurt yourself) Sorry, but I can't find a "cynical old git" emoji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 I am still toying with the idea of a kit. I love to build things and reckon I would love the challenge. The kits seem to be about on par price wise but over this side of the water are hard to find Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Richard Sorry to hear that you have not had much luck with sc/asp engines. Your experience is totally different to mine. Perhaps you do not have faith in them and as a result have not persevered with set up. I bought my first one for a boat for which I did not want to spend much, brilliant. My first aero one was bought when I could not get an Irvine 61. I was so impressed. I have bought no other make since both 2 and 4 stroke of many sizes. I have been flying an old hack for 2 years with an eBay £20 sc46. Perfect throttling and not a single dead stick in dozens of flights. Just put in a 52 of similar origin into the hack to try out the engine and get a bit more power. No issues with that either. Incidentally neither engine would run when I bought them due to the previous owner playing with the idle screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Wills 2 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I have a few Sanye motors, 46 and 91 2 stroke, which are pretty good, a 61 and a 91 4 stroke which are fantastic, and a 180 4 stroke, which was a pain to get right but is now brilliant. Just the 52 I have had problems with, and believe me I spent some serious time with it as the other have been good. Problem was even though you could set the needles to idle and full power great, it had a hugely rich transition, we are talking slobbering 4 stroking from 1/3 to 1/2 throttle. Even an OS carb didn't solve it, and lots of research suggests to me i'm not the only one to suffer. Maybe it is because there is no OS 52 for them to copy... I would say the Sanye line are great budget motors, I would just stay away from the 52, maybe they have been improved now, maybe I just got a really bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH. Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Niall, have a look at the Seagull Pilatus PC-9 (ic version). It's a superb 46 size low wing semi-scale aerobat. Seagull quality is excellent and you can use all the hardware. Also, it's covered in genuine Oracover (Ultracote). It has a thick built up wing so flys beautifully, fast or slow. Most importantly - it's rugged. I flew mine with an Irvine 53, a 46 would be just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Watkins Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 There are a couple of .52s down at our field Richard and I have found tuning them that they benefit from what you would call a lean low end needle. When a motor is at tick over, this is a very small portion of the flight and not usually sustained for long periods. This logic, and the fact that there is enough oil in the fuel, even at tickover Lead me to close the low needle more and ultimately find a transition improvement on this size motor Edited By Denis Watkins on 21/09/2017 07:21:58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I suggested building a Maricardo Niall, there will be a plan and a CNC kit available from Sarik Hobbies soon as they have recently taken over the distribution but their website has not been updated fully yet. Here is the article from RCM&E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan M Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I couldn't see from the article what is the wingspan of the Maricardo (which looks at first sight not dissimilar to the Gangster), so a quick search threw up a 2010 review in the mag by Alex Whittaker: **LINK** from which the following data is stated: Wingspan: 56'' Wing area: 600 sq. in. All-up weight: Originally 5.5 – 6 lb, but less with modern equipment Rec’d engine range: .35 – .40 two-stroke My next autumn project (after my current two indoor scale models are complete for November competition) will be to build the Gangster 63 Lite (OS 35AX) If Mick Reeves can post to the US, then might the OP be interested in this fast-building kit option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Interested in which Jonathan. The gangster??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan M Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Niall, yes the Gangster 63 Lite, which has a nose-wheel configuration. 63" span but AUW of about 4lbs, so a lower wing-loading than the Maricado (thus not needing a huge engine). Available direct from Mick Reeves for £85, plus delivery. Worst website in the universe but a very crisp laser-cut kit with a very complete pack of accessories. You'll find it half-way down this page: **LINK** I'm surprised there aren't more traditional RC kits available in the US?! At the smaller FF, stick and tissue end of the hobby, there are still plenty of US companies making a wide variety of kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 I am in Ireland mate!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan M Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Ah, the best of all possible worlds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 OK so which would you go for a 55ax just run in or a brand spanking new os 61 fx?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Spent the day flying this girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Niall Reynolds Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Has anybody a list of what is required to complete the artf?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan M Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Niall First decide on what model, then choose the right engine for it. If it is, for example, the Acrowot ARTF, then you'll need the IC pack (rather than the electric pack) to complete it, which includes fuel tank, engine mount with screws, spinner and complete throttle linkage. Everything else for the basic airframe and control-linkages is already in the box. You'll also need radio tx and rx, 5 servos, battery, switch, plus the usual assortment of adhesives (e.g. thin CA for the hinges), fuel-proofer, etc. The most useful thing you can do is first read the PDF instructions for the Acrowot ARTF, available (as is the rest of the spec and requirements) on this page: **LINK** Jon PS What was that model you were flying at the weekend, and what engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 It was a ripmax nova 40 with an irvine 46 engine. Have bought an os max 55ax and I am buying the acro wot in a few weeks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Niall Reynolds Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 This arrived this morning!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Reynolds Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 Typical want to buy the wot this week and it's out of stock. Anyone know where I no chance t get one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Wills 2 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Kings Lynn model shop are showing as available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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