McG 6969 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Hello everybody, I'm trying to identify this 'aeroplane', but it's the only picture I found on a Russian site for 'strange vehicles' without any legend nor comment. I've been trying to find some info by googling the reg # 757H - also trying 757N and the 737 alternatives - without any result. The picture being of relatively poor quality, I can't even figure out if it is a RC model or some kind of full-size home build... Anyhow, with this 'look' - where ugliness and cuteness become close neighbours - I think this subject could become a very next project for Tim Hooper or Max Z... Information fully welcomed, gents. Cheers Chris Edited By McG 6969 on 20/12/2017 11:05:21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff 1959 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 ... oops, Cliff... a blond moment, I guess... Corrected now then. Thanks & Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 .It looks familiar but I can think where I have seen it. Looking at the picture it is hard to rell if it is full size or a model but if a model I would say that it is scale. I notice that the wings are held by cables instead of struts top and bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 A quick squiz produced this pic of a small model with the same rego and showing some structural detail, but unfortunately no info apart from that the plane (or the model) was French. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Thank you, gents. Yes Peter, I had the same problem with trying to find out if it's a model or a full-size. At least one can be pretty sure your's is a model, KiwiKid. It seems to have no ailerons control? Maybe a pulley/cables for wing warping? It carries reg # 757N, so could be a corresponding small model. For sure the front wheel is 'absent' or 'lost'... Going on with the research. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Twist Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Hi All, maybe have a look at this - its a PSS Macon video, flip to around 2 mins to see the model (its colour scheme is all blue)- the model is then launched a few seconds later. Its very similar in planform to the pictures above. It is identified on its fin by - the words: Focke Wulf not sure if this is it's genuine heritage but may help to feed in to identification... Enjoy the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8IaCf5nZb0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 A little bit more info - the plane was in fact a full sized (maybe home built?) called an Ascender - the games afoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Ka- ching, I had been trying to make out that logo on the tail - it says GeeBee of all things! Edited By KiwiKid on 20/12/2017 13:16:14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Thanks I knew that it was familiar. It was in Henry Haffke's book on the GBs A few photos and a bit of history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Vid of the full size - I can understand the spinning tendency! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 If you build a model of that and take it to the field you can expect your pals to ask if you really understood the plans properly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 You're simply 'imperial', KiwiKid. I don't possess aeronautical history knowledge enough, but I guess only the crazy Granville Brothers could have been building that 'thing' called the Ascender. Some pretend it was also ironically called the 'Ass-Ender'. Apparently they built it with the remains of an Aeronca C-2, enlarging the wingspan and using the Aeronca twin engine. Only one example was produced with its maiden on December 1st, 1931 and fatal spin on January 1st, 1932... that's a very short lifespan... Well, let's wait for some designer to drawn us a nice very detailed plan now. Around 50 - 60" would be perfect, me thinks... Don't worry about those pals at the field, KC. They would be just plain envious... Cheers Chris Edited By McG 6969 on 20/12/2017 14:54:26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I love it in a horrible sort of way or is it hate it in a lovable sort of way.need to think about it a bit more,merry xmas every body and a happy new years flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 It's all in the eye of the beholder, Andy. As I wrote in my OP, "where ugliness and cuteness become close neighbours"... I'm still not 'out' of it myself really, so just think "about it more". It certainly isn't a Spitfire, a Fantome or a Hawker Fury, but I must admit it has 'something'. Let's hope Tim or Max can please us with one of their great drawing... Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 It would look great in Dick Dastardly livery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris larkins Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Here is another video of the same model on Youtube, quality isn't great though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Posted by Gary Manuel on 20/12/2017 18:37:35: It would look great in Dick Dastardly livery. Very probably, Gary. But I presume that very thin mustache should not be easy to duplicate... Agreed, the quality isn't like a 4K session, Chris. But in some shots, the Ascender really is giving the impression that it's flying 'backwards'. Thanks for the link. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Dilly 1 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Seems to be loosely based on the Focke Wulf Ente (which means 'duck'; a clip here shows the original from the mid-1930s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-hcQwCHY9o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasaforumite Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It would seem that Granville Brothers Aircraft Co. had a very high ratio of pilots kiled/injured compared to the total production of their planes. I counted at least 7 deaths and plus a number of injuries on the Wiki page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 There was also Alexander Lippisch's rocket powered 'Ente' from 1928. He went on to design the Me163 Komet, amongst other brilliant ideas. The Me163 was an extremely hazardous aeroplane too, claiming the lives of many of its pilots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Very interesting - I had not come across that one before Piers. This is an intriguing one off design showing that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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