trebor Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just wondering before I glue my flap servos into a Phoenix 2000 wing about how the controls are supposed to work. I would just have the flap operation down but on braking I've seen videos with them pointing up. I have fitted an 8 ch Rx so every servo has its own ch so I can program what I like. Is there a particular way to program the controls, where can I find out what to mix with what. In theory you could mix flaps to operate like ailerons till you flick a switch turning them into flaps or brakes ! Complete gliding novice confusing myself help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Watkins Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Crow Brakes Trebor, are documented on this site And Google, so have a look and see if this resolves your issue, then ask again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Hi Trebor In addition to what Denis says, try searching for "Full House Glider" - here's a youtube video for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedster Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 My set up: Flying: Good luck S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Thanks chaps, I have just been reading an old book "Sketch by Sketch" on using flaps to create lift. Suppose I could mix a bit of down ailerons as well whilst still having normal aileron control for hovering lift. I'll watch and read all I can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank Skilbeck Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Trebor, here's the recommended set up for the Multiplex Heron from the instructions, shoule be a good starting point for your Pheonix Elevator up (stick back) approx. + 10 mm down (stick forward) approx. - 10 mm Powermix approx. - 0,5 mm Down-elevator mix with Flap speed / thermic approx. -1,5 /-1,5 mm Rudder left and right approx. 20 mm each side of centre Ailerons up approx. + 16 mm down approx. - 8 mm Flap approx. +2 / -2 mm Flaps (camber-changing flaps) aileron approx. + 10 mm up (Speed) approx. + 3 mm down (Thermic) approx. - 3,5 mm Spoilers (butterfly) both ailerons up approx. + 22 mm both flaps down approx. - 26 mm Down-elevator mix with spoiler approx. - 5 mm Also if you have the option to select aileron differential suppression when the spoilers are deployed that keeps the aileron authority. Edited By Frank Skilbeck on 28/01/2018 13:03:50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Percy, I have put tape round them and glued the tape in before. I like using uhu por as it sticks well but you can just about get it off. My problem now is to program the flap servos in, normally use assigned switch ok but I see I've got to set this up differently so the servo can travel from the centre both ways instead of 2 stages one way and back again if you see what I mean. I'm still learning on Frsky there's so many different ways to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Frank, you've lost me with the spoilers ( butterfly ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Scott 2 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Another name for crow braking effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Watkins Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 The spoilers, 2 ailerons up, 2 flaps down, are one operation Trebor, softening the huge trim change with down elevator mixed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Posted by trebor on 28/01/2018 13:15:32: ...I'm still learning on Frsky there's so many different ways to do it. In that case why not download one of Mike Shellim’s excellent setups for a 4 servo wing e-glider? Absolutely perfect for your model, and documented to a very high standard - just follow his simple instructions for a perfect setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 Thanks Matty, I think I will go one small step at a time, I'm getting brain overload. I will bookmark the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 Am I better putting the flap and aileron / crow brakes on a switch or a rotary control ? Or both ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Skilbeck Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Trebor, you need the spoilers on a proportional control, camber flaps can be on a switch. Glider guiders would put the spoilers on the "throttle" stick and motor on a switch or slider, but the power fliers I know who've got an electric glider find this approached not for them. Me I fly power with the throttle on throttle stick and electric gliders, spoilers on the stick and power on a slider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 I've programmed the flaps to act as ailerons ok but still trying to work out the rest. I could download a program but I've got used to my own throttle, rates and flaps switches plus I need to learn how to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Power on a slider, brakes (and camber in thermalling flight modes) on a throttle stick with e-gliders. Remember your throttle on one of these is generally on or off, whereas brakes you want to be able to tweak throughout the approach. Ps - I really recommend you download a few basic glider setups to help you, you will learn a lot faster if you can see some of the alternative approaches in action rather than working them out from a blank sheet of paper. It’s also critical to understand concepts like high mixes or your setups will be unnecessarily difficult to adjust. Read Mike’s guides, they are invaluable. Edited By MattyB on 29/01/2018 19:57:56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 I must admit I don't fancy putting the throttle on a slider which is going to give me somthing else to think about, I'm ok with stick movements which is automatic I don't have to think about it. Ive sleeved the switches that I've programmed so I can feel them without looking. I did think about putting the flaps on a side rotary switch and if it's possible the aileron brakes as well but so far I don't know how to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 And here’s a great video explaining how information flows in OpenTX - understand this and you can create almost any setup and solve almost any problem you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share Posted January 29, 2018 Thanks, when I first got the Taranis I put companion on the computer and updated to 2.1.9 before I started to program models in. Since then I haven't used companion due to my computer going petetong. Now I've got a few models programmed I'm worried about using companion on the new computer in case I mess things up which is the norm for me so I just use the tx for now. I will watch the videos though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Fair enough, though you may want to try downloading eepes into Companion anyway just to play with - if you're worried about transferring to the TX you don't have too, just programme similar mixes on the transmitter. Alternatively try the Painless360 channel, he has loads of good OpenTX videos including a number on crow: Video 1 Video 2 Video 3 Edited By MattyB on 29/01/2018 22:27:47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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