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MattyB Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Yep, according to the update that is exactly what they are planning... ”Drones flying within the ‘Arrow Drone Zone’ will be tracked and monitored via Altitude Angel’s UTM platform, GuardianUTM O/S, which communicates with ground and aerial infrastructure to provide automated navigation for drones flying within the Zone, pre-flight authorisations and automatic separation assurance. Nearby manned aviation and even other non-participating drones are mapped in real-time so safe distances are maintained, and appropriate avoidance actions can be taken if they are predicted to be breached. If a conflict is detected, drones involved will be automatically given appropriate avoidance instructions, such as an instruction to change flight path, hold, return or land. A remote pilot will also be alerted, and manual control of the drone can be taken at any time. Drones flying within Arrow Drone Zones need no specialist equipment, such as new sensors, to utilise the Zone.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Christy Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Posted by MattyB on 23/09/2020 13:24:47: "Drones flying within Arrow Drone Zones need no specialist equipment, such as new sensors, to utilise the Zone.” Erm! So how does this work for us? Telepathy, perhaps? And since when has "drone" been a legal definition? -- Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I read it as the autonomous drones will (hopefully) sense and avoid other airborne objects - the zone being a defined area where the autonomous drones will be operating. Edited By Martin Harris on 23/09/2020 15:31:30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_K Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 My possible explanations for the the reference to no 'specialist hardware on-board the drone'; They are assuming electronic conspicuity devices will be mandatory on all new drones so it will not be specialist hardware. You have to be a registered user of the UTM system and request permission to take off before you fly. We need more details than come in a press release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martin Harris - Moderator Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Hmm... Two things jump out. Although I carry a copy of my BMFA membership certificate on my mobile phone in order to "prove competence" and eligibility for the concessions, I did not elect to pay for a plastic card. The guidance seems to specify that I must be able to produce a membership card. Secondly, in addition to the membership card, it seems to be a requirement to produce an "Association Competence Certificate" in addition to my membership card. I do actually have one of these but only because I undertook the incredibly difficult but a little more relevant BMFA competence test during the run-up to the legislation out of interest, as a potential instructor of members without A certificates. Edited By Martin Harris on 21/10/2020 15:50:43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Gorham_ Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Lets play "Proof read the document for the CAA": Oh dear, page 11 Section 3 Remote Pilot Competence Requirements, method 3. Exemption through a model flying association competency scheme. Anybody got a BMFA Gold, Silver or Bronze Certificate? Thought not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andy Symons - BMFA Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 21/10/2020 15:39:37: Lets play "Proof read the document for the CAA": Oh dear, page 11 Section 3 Remote Pilot Competence Requirements, method 3. Exemption through a model flying association competency scheme. Anybody got a BMFA Gold, Silver or Bronze Certificate? Thought not... The CAA have been informed and will be issuing an updated version. The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions either, the CAA have also confirmed that either electronic copies of BMFA membership documents, a hard copy or the plastic membership card will meet all requirements as they show a members achievements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MattyB Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 21/10/2020 17:54:05: The CAA have been informed and will be issuing an updated version. The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions either, the CAA have also confirmed that either electronic copies of BMFA membership documents, a hard copy or the plastic membership card will meet all requirements as they show a members achievements. If that is the case it would have been more sensible for them to wait to issue this document on enforcement - those following it will have to retrain within weeks of issue, and all the docs they would have been asking for will change. Just another example of how poorly this has been implemented by the authorities, but no real surprise there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Christy Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 ^^^^^^^^^ Very true! -- Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Posted by Steve J on 22/10/2020 07:21:56: Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 21/10/2020 17:54:05: The article 16 authorisation will pretty much do away with all the exemptions as they will become part of the authorisation so nobody will need to be carrying exemptions ... Any indication as to when the authorisation will be agreed and published? I expect it will be well before 31st Dec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticky fingers Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 This whole issue has been a unmitigated mess ever since someone somewhere saw £ signs.Having dealt with the CAA in the past I personally would not trust them to run a decent bath never mind Air legislation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Gorham_ Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 While that may be true, personally I have to say I've spent a minimal amount of time and money complying with my end of the DMARES requirements and it has in no way detracted from my flying fun this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 22/10/2020 15:06:56: While that may be true, personally I have to say I've spent a minimal amount of time and money complying with my end of the DMARES requirements and it has in no way detracted from my flying fun this year. I don't doubt that, but the big question is whether that will be the case in the coming years when remote ID etc is likely to come into play. In the shorter term most of us will be reliant of the Article 16 exemption the BMFA are currently negotiating to be able to fly legally in 2021 at public or shared access sites. If that does not address the issues around distance from members of the public and buildings in the revised CAP 1789 then we will have some pretty big problems to face... Edited By MattyB on 23/10/2020 16:22:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Adams 4 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 HI, I for one are not to worried for now, in the coming years there will not be to many of us left, if this is going to be so much trouble, then no young ones are going to bother to model, also with this balsa wood problem with China no one will be able to purchase any. So will the shows gradually close and get smaller so that no one will attend?? Good luck & stay safe every one. Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Gorham_ Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Posted by MattyB on 23/10/2020 16:21:25: Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 22/10/2020 15:06:56: While that may be true, personally I have to say I've spent a minimal amount of time and money complying with my end of the DMARES requirements and it has in no way detracted from my flying fun this year. I don't doubt that, but the big question is whether that will be the case in the coming years when remote ID etc is likely to come into play. In the shorter term most of us will be reliant of the Article 16 exemption the BMFA are currently negotiating to be able to fly legally in 2021 at public or shared access sites. If that does not address the issues around distance from members of the public and buildings in the revised CAP 1789 then we will have some pretty big problems to face... Edited By MattyB on 23/10/2020 16:22:35 There were many voices on this forum warning of the sky falling in due to DMARES in this time last year. Didn't happen. Problems can only be faced and overcome when it is known what the problems are... I'm just making the point that people are starting to raise issues about renewing their OP IDs when some of us who opted for a combination of using an exemption from flyer ID and OP ID obtained via the BMFA had no issues. I seem to remember that you had a similarly pessimistic view about the BMFA national centre a few years ago and yet it seems to have opened successfully, is holding its own and is an asset to the hobby, so forgive me if I hold different opinions to yours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Erfolg Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I cannot see a problem with those who have read relevant documentation, or read news reports, raising the subject. Surely discussion is not something to discourage? I cannot but notice that during this current Covid issue, the essentially similar situations and policies have been reported and perhaps reacted to very differently, with respect to the four parts of the UK. How policies are presented and the reactions of the various media, seems to result in very different views of any aspect. PR by the BMFA with respect to this issue will set the tone and environment both with respect to us members and perhaps more immediately with the regulator and the UK Government, Of course authority prefers as much to be unreported as possible, until policies are set in stone, as it works in their favour. Remember that the EASA regulations were initially dismissed as something that will not affect us, in any material way. With respect to the NFC (Buckminster), it is to early to say that it is success or any alternative. It is not unusual for expenditure to exceed income initially. Yet Zombie organisations often continue by deferring the statement of their true situation by judicious use of accounting, until the whole edifice crumbles, at present a number of household names have suffered this fate recently. On that basis the transfer of BMFA funds into the NFC needs monitoring, if that is what happening, and should not be allowed to continue indefinitely. Also any sponsorship that the NFC receives that is directly linked to the main BMFA body, should be monitored, as this could be deemed as a indirect transfer of funds. The future is not predicable with any accuracy, although I understand that our membership is now nearer to 30,000 than the 35,000 often quoted as the present membership level. If true our numbers are in decline, the reduction is not noise, but a trend. We do not need anything which potentially reduces are numbers more, if it can be avoided As reported our insurance provider, is under review, this must be done on the basis of provision of all the ordinary membership. Without any side benefits of a bonus returned indirectly to any section of the BMFA. All modelers ( should be members and) probably now need the BMFA more than any other time in our modeling history. That is why in my opinion. this area of BMFA activity is possibly more important than ever, requiring our principal focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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