Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 However stupid it may seem to those who fly models responsibly, these are the current rules. I have little doubt that the BMFA will have this anomaly on their CAA discussion agenda. P.S. Steve is quite right - I was concentrating on the "competence" test and missed the reference to the operator tax - which you will have already paid in order to gain the privilege of displaying your number on the model. Edited By Martin Harris on 11/12/2019 18:23:44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Don Fry Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Posted by Steve J on 11/12/2019 18:18:26: Posted by Colin Naylar on 11/12/2019 17:56:19: If I take a friend to watch and he asks to have a go, does he have to have passed the online test and paid the £9 ? Test - yes; £9 - no. **LINK** Sorry Steve, I followed the link, no reference to what constitutes supervision. I am not being awkward. I live in France, know my regulations, and struggle to actually accept you face such a mountain to teach someone to fly a toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heather Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Question about the BMFA Competency Test. I have just done it and I selected the option “my aircraft is not fitted with a camera” because it isn’t. I think that as a result of this, my test only comprised 10 questions and the certificate just states section 94 of the ANO. Wondering now, if later this year I did buy a drone with a camera I may not be legal because my competency certificate just states section 94, not 94 and 95. So can I take the test again, but this time say that my plane is fitted with a camera so that I get the full certificate? Many thanks, Nigel Edited By Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 18:52:43 Edited By Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 18:57:22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I took both tests in order to check them for future reference for students - uploaded both to my profile...next time I looked the standard version had been deleted so I would say the answer is yes - the camera equipped version appears to be seen as an "upgrade". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nigel Heather Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Posted by Martin Harris on 11/12/2019 18:59:30: I took both tests in order to check them for future reference for students - uploaded both to my profile...next time I looked the standard version had been deleted so I would say the answer is yes - the camera equipped version appears to be seen as an "upgrade". Presumably we will get Pilot IDs when the BMFA do the bulk upload at the end of January. If you have uploaded both certificates then I assume the system would be sensible enough to just generate one Pilot ID. Going to do the ‘camera fitted’ one now. Cheers, Nigel UPDATE - just did it. Still only asked 10 questions. They were a mix of section 94 and section 95 questions. Passed with 10 correct answers, as I did with the ‘no camera fitted’ test. The two certificates are identical - both state just section 94F, neither mentions section 95. So it doesn’t seem to matter whether you select ‘no camera fitted’ or ‘camera fitted’ because the competency certificates are identical. Edited By Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 19:16:58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Steve, yes I am.I am old enough, ugly enough to earn the right. But, where, does it say, if I accept responsibility for the flight, the pupil has to pass a test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 . Edited By Martin Harris on 11/12/2019 19:20:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Posted by Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 19:06:55: Presumably we will get Pilot IDs when the BMFA do the bulk upload at the end of January. If you have uploaded both certificates then I assume the system would be sensible enough to just generate one Pilot ID. I'm sure Steve will correct me if I'm wrong but as a BMFA member you don't need a pilot ID - you are considered competent if you hold an A or B or have passed the RCC test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARPERFECT Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 From the horses mouth. Andy Symons, came to our Meeting regarding the new Regulations, He told us that While training goes on i.e. Two transmitters, Two people, on buddy lead or wireless, then the person on the slave Tx is neither the operator nor the pilot, So then need nothing as far as the law is concerned. So if Someone asked you for a go, and there is only one tx. They need to have CAA or BMFA certificate. No operator i.d. as that will be on the plane/drone to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nigel Heather Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Some feedback on the BMFA competency test, having just done both versions The questions are identical to those sent out with the BMFA magazine. You are only asked 10 questions If you select ‘no camera fitted’ then the 10 questions are a random selection from Section 1, questions 1 to 13, the answer options are in a different order than in the list sent out with the magazine, the question includes the question number relating to the set sent out with the magazine If you select ‘camera fitted’ then the 10 questions are a random selection from sections 1 and 2, questions 1 to 20, the answer options are in the exact order as those in the list sent out with the magazine, the questions do not include the question number relating to the set sent out with the magazine. The certificate produced is exactly the same whether you do the ‘camera fitted’ or the ‘no camera fitted’ version Cheers, Nigel Edited By Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 19:31:25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heather Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Posted by Martin Harris on 11/12/2019 19:19:49: Posted by Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 19:06:55: Presumably we will get Pilot IDs when the BMFA do the bulk upload at the end of January. If you have uploaded both certificates then I assume the system would be sensible enough to just generate one Pilot ID. I'm sure Steve will correct me if I'm wrong but as a BMFA member you don't need a pilot ID - you are considered competent if you hold an A or B or have passed the RCC test. That makes sense. Explains why you have to carry the competency certificate so you can show that rather than giving plod the pilot ID to look up on the database. Cheers, Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARPERFECT Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Steve J. The Master pilot is always in charge and is the pilot. as he or she is holding the trainer switch, or what ever means there is for the trainer link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Don Fry Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Sorry Steve, please be patient, you post of 19.22 hours, article 94F of what? I have just spent time, and it reckons in French, I am interested in Patent Law. This thread does not give an answer I can find. re alignment to possible upcoming EASA regulations, I have no idea how France proposes to comply. On a scale of 1 to 10, how important is this in France, it would rate 0.01. My field is used by police dog handlers. They have asked me for a law primer. We parted in peace, I was wished, good flights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Don Fry Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Cheers Steve, I'm brain dead now, long day. I will look in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The CAA do not consider the person on the slave TX to be either the remote pilot or the operator, therefore they do not need to have a flyer ID, the aircraft will need a valid Operator ID though (in Feb if BMFA members). No exemption is needed for this. It is clear that the person on the master is always the remote pilot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Posted by Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 19:06:55: Posted by Martin Harris on 11/12/2019 18:59:30: I took both tests in order to check them for future reference for students - uploaded both to my profile...next time I looked the standard version had been deleted so I would say the answer is yes - the camera equipped version appears to be seen as an "upgrade". Presumably we will get Pilot IDs when the BMFA do the bulk upload at the end of January. If you have uploaded both certificates then I assume the system would be sensible enough to just generate one Pilot ID. Going to do the ‘camera fitted’ one now. Cheers, Nigel UPDATE - just did it. Still only asked 10 questions. They were a mix of section 94 and section 95 questions. Passed with 10 correct answers, as I did with the ‘no camera fitted’ test. The two certificates are identical - both state just section 94F, neither mentions section 95. So it doesn’t seem to matter whether you select ‘no camera fitted’ or ‘camera fitted’ because the competency certificates are identical. Edited By Nigel Heather on 11/12/2019 19:16:58 Article 94F is the article requiring you to have acknowledgement of competency from the CAA. Holding the RCC exempts you from this. See **LINK** for the ANO articles Both RCC certificates carry the same weight which is why the certificates are identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Does it matter who owns the model as long as they are registered as an operator? If it's the pupil, they have designated the instructor as the pilot in charge... Edited By Martin Harris on 11/12/2019 21:57:47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Posted by Steve J on 11/12/2019 21:52:20: Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 11/12/2019 21:26:23: The CAA do not consider the person on the slave TX to be either the remote pilot or the operator, therefore they do not need to have a flyer ID, the aircraft will need a valid Operator ID though. Do you have that in writing? If the person on the slave transmitter owns the aircraft. Who is the operator? With respect, you appear to be looking for problems where there aren't any. It really is straight forward the person on the master is the remote pilot. It is obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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