Martyn K Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 That's great Danny. I like the tip for creating the bevels. I have never tried that Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Martyn, you should give it a go, it works very well. Okay the planking is finished, the rest of the fus can be sheeted without too much trouble. Scaled and copied the Westburg drawing to get the shape of the cockpit cutout, it looks about right Right then what next......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Danny Looking really nice Any chance of a scale PDFof that cockpit cutout cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Thx Martin, yes of course, let me scan the drawing and generate a PDF Mailshot in a bit..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2W Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Danny, thanks for the .pdf of the cockpit, but looking at your latest photos, the outline you have modelled has a curved transition from the back to the door. This appears to be in contradiction with both the plan and the Duxford photos. Am I missing something? William Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi William, I did indeed add a curve to the rear edge, so you may want to do the same on yours. I used the Westburg drawings to obtain the shape. On the Fury the bulkhead (F7 on the Bryant plan) is vertical, on the full size it slopes. The straight rear edge crept in as the template was cut from paper and I did the curve ad-hoc. the template did not have the curve. Just looked at the flickr photos and you might be right, it seems more radiussed doesn't it? But that could simply be the angle. Okay I will re-visit Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Okay I have gone through all the pictures I can find and am struggling to get a feel for the outline of the cockpit, anybody got any overhead views? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose L. G. Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Danny. From the Flickr. library of HAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Thanks Jose, I knew I had seen an overhead shot somewhere. Unfortunately not very clear, but does differ from the Westburg drawing doesn't it. I am busy filling in the cockpit to give me a blank canvas to work on. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fats Flyer Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Danny, I've just put a photo of the cockpit shape from above in my Fury Photo album. I don't know how to put images on the forum. It comes from the Fury Profile publications number 18. I hope it helps. Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Vince, and thanks but unfortunately those are artists images, we really need an overhead photo if possible. Another one from the Whitworth album, it does look more curved, and sharper at the front. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Okay so what is the opinion on the pencil curve to the right of the centreline. The left is a little too rounded I reckon so will mirror the rhs..... Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose L. G. Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Danny. I'd made the cut following the side view.The back is slighly inclined. When you look from upstairs appear slighly curved.The horizontal line slopes in the front.Mine looks like your blue line.Jos? Luis.Edited By Jose L. G. on 06/11/2018 20:41:50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 this is mine, whether it is right is another matter. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Danny I wonder if these help ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hi Danny, If you don't mind me jumping in. Obviously 'artist' impressions aren't The Bible at all. But even photographs can be misleading, depending at the axle position of the camera and even more important the focal length of the lens being used. Don't ask, but it was one of my majors in my graphical studies. If you have a look at the last pic you posted, please note the distorsion/twist of the windscreen it shows. My best guess is that the 'blue' line of your sketch is too 'rounded' and the pencil line at the right is 'better'. Or maybe a profile just between the two of them. Also for the back end, from a profile view, maybe the cut out should be straight and follow the line of the cockpit door at the port side. Just my novice two euro cents, of course... Cheers Chris EDIT > I din't saw Martin F's post when I was writing... just AMAZING... Edited By McG 6969 on 06/11/2018 21:27:47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hey Martin that's a great shot of Gwynn's Yes it does indeed help, that is assuming Gwynn got it right, wait did I really say that, of course Gwynn would get it right! Anyway, half a dozen shapes have been cut in paper and offered up, I am happy with this one I reckon....... I appreciate what you are saying about angles etc, and you are right. The top of the door in all the photos looks curved to me. like Jose I have tried to get the side view to match as well which is quite difficult, but i think this is close. You have 30 seconds to change my mind Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 I have been struggling with what to do about the cowling area, and decided I better face the problem sooner than later. I started by adding some hardwood blocks to anchor the cowling in position so I could apraise the situation I decided to split the cowl along the upper panel line, this section had to come off for battery pack changing. People often ask how to cut cowls, and this is how I do it. I have a razor saw that is only for cutting glass fibre. The glass wreaks havoc on the blade, and will take the edge of a nice blade straight away. The cowl was then refitted, to judge the height adjustment needed to the fuselage sides. The top of F1 was removed, and a strip of 3/16 used to bridge F1, as a hole now made the top weak. 3/16 strips were added to the sides to bring them up to the same height as the panel line through which I had cut. I will say that I have no idea how this will all pan out so please wait until I make progress before following this path. The objective is to ensure that parts split on panel lines, or at least close to them. If this all seems like a great deal of work then you are right. But for me I have to try and improve the lines around the nose, put it down to my OCD Cheers Danny Edited By Danny Fenton on 07/11/2018 19:37:41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hi Danny What's the idea for the front end, are you trying to get the transition to the fibreglass cowl a better shape / fit ? Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hi Danny, Not that I'm going to 'copycat' you right away as I didn't even opened my Fury wood pack so far. But may I ask you where you got that splendid white gelcoat finished cowl... ? From some earlier pics I saw, it doesn't look at all being similar to the 'former T.' one. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hi Martin, I am probably not going to use the cowl at all. the next step is to fill the top section from the CS to the back of the cowl ring with blue foam. Once that is done, then I will make side pieces in blue foam, then lower cowl section. Hopefully end up with a full cowl mold but one that goes further back. As I said I am not sure how it will work out, but the top section has to be made at least. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hi Chris, the cowl was kicking around in a friends garage for years, and he kindly donated it to me to use as a reference. The cowl doesn't end on a panel line at all and would annoy me. It has a Traplet type reference number inside, but the lines where the three part mold are joined are very poor. The mold has been poorly assembled before the glass cowl was made. It will serve my purposes just fine. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Thank you for answering, Danny. I don't quite understand why a 'three part' mould was needed, except of course for the top blisters. I'm still planning to have a try at making a 'one' piece mould - including the panel lines needed - from the spinner down to the front cabanes. It would be quite large, but not really a problem as it all remains a very 'convexe' shape. I mean without the cylinder blisters obviously. Then afterwards 'splitting' the different panels where needed. Of course I should have a better view when/if I start up building the fuse, but maybe the idea sounds a bit insane anyhow. Cheers & thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hi Chris, I was going to shave the blisters off and make a two part mould. I think you will struggle with a one part. we will see how it goes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Danny Sounds interesting. Just tried a test fit of cowl to my forward fuselage as sheeted at present. I think getting a reasonable fit is going to be a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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