Gavin Livsey Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Good day all, With the weather as it is this morning I've spent some time surfing the net looking at various videos on youtube, etc. One thing stands out. What I want to hear when watching a model is the model as it flys about, not being forced to listen to some rubbish soundtrack that the film maker wants to shove down my throat (or should that be ears?). For example, I had started to watch Timbos Fly-fly Hawk but after about ten seconds turned it off because of the soundtrack. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a good bit of music, but if I wanted to listen to music I'd put my mp3 player on. I suppose I could mute the sound but then watching a silent film doesn't appeal. Am I the only one? Gavin Livsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thats very interesting actually Gavin - as wifey and I discussed sound tracks for this clip as the movie was being compiled. I actually find that in most cases the exact opposite happens to me ! EG: I start to watch a video of a model flight which I am looking forward to, only to be bored pretty quickly as the model soon becomes the almost inevitable "dot in the sky" and the motor /engine sound has disappeared anyway! I am left listening either to silence ( which as you say is awful ) or the chattering of the pilot /cameraman - equally uninspiring. I stop watching very quickly. Now, when doing this clip, we were conscious of these factors, and I deliberately faded out the music as the model was ROG, and also left the levels such that on close flybys at high speed the whine of the EDF could still be heard. Seems the 5 hours of late night work to put this together was not well spent Don't get me wrong, I take on board the comments entirely, but suggest that it is down to ( understandably ) different people liking different music. I fely that a "jet" flight deserved a fastish upbeat type track. If you can bring yourself to do so, check out a couple of earlier films I did on U Tube of inflight filming onboad a slope soarer.... here the selection was Fleetwood Mac's "Albatross" - appropriate I think? remeber finally that a finished clip such as this is usually a combination of editing, and if left with the original "sound" it would appear very odd ! Horses for courses I guess but thanks for the comments. PS the alternative is to dub in the sound of a real Jet ( something which was done to great effect by another budding Spielberg on U tube ) But then ...as stated...its been done . Edited By Timbo - Moderator on 07/06/2009 13:10:54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham King Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Must admit, I'm with Gavin on this one. The music on most video's ( but not all) is annoying. I usually stop within a few seconds and find another video to watch - without the music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Turrall 2 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I,m with Graham.But then again, most things get right up my nose these days!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorer Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 i think that as timbo says,its really up to personal choice .i myself prefer a soundtrack i think it adds to a video and quite often enhances .something that could turn out quite mundane.,but thats just me i suppose.have you seen dave royds video of weston park last year? {not that its mundane in anyway i might add} but the soundtrack turns a very good video into something awesome dudes!! {sorry have been talking to young people to much lately!} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cooper Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I quite like to hear music with a video. BUT, the music must be sympathetic to the way the model is being flown. B.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klippy Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi all, I think it's an age thing. Yes, when the music starts, I switch off! Perhaps if perhaps if Lizst, Mozart et al had had RC airplanes to write sound tracks for, then things would be different. Timbo, I'm not detracting from from your superb model. I love the videos but switch off the sound, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Humphries Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Plus - don't forget that putting a video up on YouTube with a copyrighted piece of music is illegal... I have learnt that the hard way. Peter Green and his team of lawyers will be listening out for "Albatross" on all our model vids! Edited By Marc Humphries on 07/06/2009 17:31:06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdy Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Its always either hard rock or something soft flowy and relaxing. I've still yet to hear "the gadfly" in one of them videos. I'd love that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Funny you mention the copyright thing Marc - seems my previously mentioned sloping video has indeed been "silenced" U Tube are tightening up apparantly, so we now have to either use original music of our own...or select a track from U Tube stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I enjoyed the soundtrack on Timbos Hawk,the one backing the TSR2 video, and the one on the Vulcan,and I do think the music often enhances the Videobut then not only can I not post a video,I certainly would be unable to put a track on it anyway so maybe Im easily pleased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytilbroke Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I have mentioned elsewhere the Muzak that afflict all too many videoes. A music soundtrack with the audio varied to suit the visiblity of the model can certainly enhance them. The big problem other than personal musical taste is that most guys have the impression that LOUD is better. When an IC model flies close and fast or even slow I expect to hear an engine, not a "Heavy Metal" screeching guitar. I am sorry that I once upset a young lad and his Dad a bit,,, Matty I think it was, for this very reason although I cannot now remember what the Muzak was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemma Jane Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 To me it seems it's part of the creation of the video maker. I thought two Marilyn Manson tracks went very well spliced with my HZ Cub video I put up on Youtube. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately for some) Warner didn't appreciate my copyright infringement I think it is like most music, if it isn't something you know or listen to it sounds pretty awful. The makers of the videos know the tracks well and probably think it goes great with the clip... but perhaps in reality it only works for them because of familiarity. Certainly though I've seen some great clips where the music really really did work, even if it wouldn't have been my own choice for the clip, equally I like anyone else have stopped watching if the music wasn't something I wanted to listen to. The worst for me though is a whinning IC engine.. oops sorry it doesn't work for me. Give me the purr or whistle of an electric or the 'real' sound of a merlin, now that is music to the ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchweight Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Well I liked it! I really hate videos that have nothng except horrible wind noise or the whine of an EDF. That said I tend to use the tracks supplied by my editing software (as supplied by Photobucket) these days. F16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 if you change the sound files of the music just slightly, it will sound almost exactly the same but the automated youtube system will not block it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Timbo you must have got it something like right because until I read this thread I did not recall the music on your Hawk video! I do agree that music can be annoying on plane videos (model or full size!) but then I don't play music when I'm in the car as I like to hear the engine - just in case something goes wrong saving me serious expense at least twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Ireland Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 How did you find out about that Peter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Whiskey Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I'd personally like a bit of sound track in the background, in the background at a lower volume that is, with the model engine noise / live sounds forefront! Edited By Delta Whiskey on 08/06/2009 08:13:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Ah nice one peter...perhaps just speed up /slow down the track in one or two places. It will be interesting to see if the trck on the hawk flight gets necked as I did clip it and edit it in a few spots from the original IYSWIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter 'Ivanna Crashalot' Savage Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I found it out by reading through the copyright disclaimer it talks about if a soundtrack found as being simular to one found in their database it blocks your video, i have had two videos muted, i think the only company that blocks them is Warner Media group, which means a lot of my favourite songs are out the window scratch that 3 have been muted what do you think of this? i think it kinda suits it, from this point on i will do a soundtracked and non soundtrack version of my videos so no one can complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemma Jane Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 be nicer without the wind noise me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well yes indeed, but then there's those who will say " I like to hear the noise of the engine, or the pilots chattering, or the background racket of the pits" As they say, you cant please all the people all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemma Jane Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Absolutely Tim, made me think though if I post up anymore vids on Youtube I might give a choice of soundtracks, raw sound, music, mixture of the two perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemma Jane Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I ought to add Peter the wind noise was only annoying to me 'cause I thought the track was a very good choice on its own Perhaps you could do a special Gemma edit and post it up so I can watch it again with just the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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