Nigel Day Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thanks Danny. I'm planning to put the servos in the same orientation but with the rods running at the bottom. This would make the servo mountings slightly higher perhaps but the height from sheeting to top of servo should be the same and the connecting rod would fit lower. The bellcranks would be fitted upside down too. Hmm, hadn't thought about the cockpit floor. I might give that part a miss and concentrate on the top half of the cockpit and the outer stuff this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi Nigel, sounds like a plan The servos I have mounted as low as they will go, the tops of the servos are just above the sheeting (if there were sheeting directly above) So my cockpit floor will be directly above the servos but attached to the fuselage, well that's the plan.... To connect and disconnect the flaps and ailerons you need to be able to drive the servos to the limits of travel to access the linking rods, if you seal the servos off that will become more difficult. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Day Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hmm, more thinking required. My brain hurts! Thanks Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nigel, I am not saying you shouldn't do this, but deviating from the designers plan often leads to long and winding road, sometimes fun, more often frustrating, but you will learn that way. With this plan some deviation is innevitable and necessary. Attaching a tailplane by two thin bits of 1/8 for example. That will never survive 5 minutes in my workshop! To me building complex models is a bit like chess you have to think several moves ahead. Undoubtedly a decision made in haste will come back to haunt you. But get it right and its a great feeling. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 nicely done so far. i have been watching and learning from "obiwan Fenton" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Had a quick look at the fairings....I still cannot fathom what an earth is supposed to happen with the ply parts, the balsa bits seem straightforward enough though so they were attached. Trying to keep them symetrical. I then decided things weren't right. The more I looked at the three view the more seemed wrong so I scaled the three view to match the model and then overlayed the print on the model. It looks like F8 is half an inch to far back. Ahh well onwards and upwards Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thos observant amongst you might take a look at the chord of the flaps........ then compare it to the 3 view in the picture above! Flaps underside 87mm on Dennis's plan, and 55mm on the scaled 3 view That's a big discrepancy! Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Timmis Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi Danny I know just what you mean. Dennis certainly gave us somethings to think about. The plans are incredibly vague in this area & also,as you say, inaccurate too. The first time I made the fairings I ended up hacking the whole lot off. (I was pretty hacked off myself). The fairings are such a prominent feature they do need to look right. I came back to it after about 3 weeks & had another go, but the whole lot almost went into the bin at this stage. Some sections on the plan would have been a help. Anyway, I think the second attempt was better but I'm still not sure if they are right. It took a lot of eyeballing & comparing photos. Keep up the good work, it's very inspiring." Nil illigitimi carborundum', as the Romans said. Cheers John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi John, and thanks. At the moment with the revelation that the flaps and ailerons are hugely over size I am not sure what to do now...... Just goes to show how experienced Ton is at this game and how much I have to learn You may remember Ton asking if anybody had overlay a 3 view on top of the plan........ wish I had done that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm so pleased I haven't started on the wing yet, when I get home I'm going to make some alterations to the plan before I get going on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Fairgrieve Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So glad I held off on starting the wing today. Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi Danny I have just checked the dimensions on my 1/24 scale 3 view from MHS - drawing no. 3063 - dimensions x4 to 1/6 scale Under surface flap chord at root: 54mm flap chord at junction with aileron: 52mm aileron chord at junction with flap 44mm Aileron Chord at tip 44mm Upper Surface flap chord at root: 52mm flap chord at junction with aileron: 50mm aileron chord at junction with flap 38mm Aileron Chord at tip 38mm Elevator Root 72mm Tip 48mm That's a real bummer if the mod lets me say that. Even starting from scratch its a lot of rework Martyn Edited By Martyn K on 30/10/2014 16:16:29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi Martyn, yes thats the same drawing I am using. I have scanned it then scaled it up to 1/6th. It is a big error and is more than a tweak to the structure. At the end of the day it will still be a lovely model don't get me wrong. You will have to do a a major re-design to correct this, as the trailing edge of the wing will need moving back nearly an inch. This will also make the hinge sets useless. I would suggest you just keep going.....as I think I will. sorry about this, should have checked the plan against the three view. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It's not your fault. We are building a model to a DB plan. We are simply doing what it says on the tin. Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Makes no difference to me Danny, it'll be a nice model I signed up for help in doing scale detail, rib tapes n rivets etc, it's not a FW 190 anyway John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This is my first scale build so I'm not too worried if it doesn't turn out 100% although I feel sorry for those who are trying to be a bit more accurate. I'm going to finish mine more or less too the plan, I'll get the same enjoyment out of it and learn just as much. By the time I'm finished I won't be worried about the size of the flaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Danny I can only echo previous comments, this model may not end up perfect scale but I for one am learning lots of great new techniques following the build. I am more than happy with how its looking up to this point. As a matter of interest from a few posts ago, how did you manage to get a better fit of the wing to the fuselage ? I see you have reduced the misfit considerably. Keep up the great work Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thanks guys I really appreciate your comments, I really did feel bad two fold, firstly that I had let you guys down by not spotting the problem, and two letting myself down because I intend to use this for some scale competition, and that looks like it may be a non starter now. Still we will still end up with a nice model. And consider it a practice run for the 1/4 scale one next winter Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 1/4 scale - would that be the Jerry Bates version ? Ive seen some shots of the plan - looks really nice and Belair do a wood pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 that's the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 As the other guys have said, you're achieving your objective of giving us all a chance to develop higher level scale model build techniques, no problems there. When this is done there's going to be that many Chipmunks whizzing about that you'll probably lose motivation and want to build something else! ( A Winjeel would be nice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lol you might just be right there Colin. However the Winjeel, oh you do like your quirky planes don't you I have a couple of planes to finish after this, a Taylor P51 needs a wing for one Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Danny, I'm not doing the build, but Colin is spot on, you are demonstrating methods that are new to a lot of us and applicable for any airframe so keep at it, even if its not going to be fit for a scale contest, a LOT of us will learn a great deal and that deserves our thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thanks Dave I appreciate that, hopefully seeing all the guys building what is quite a complex model will keep me at it I did a little more tonight once the pumpkin was whittled with my 7 yr old Added new fairing formers the others didn't look right. Slapped some sheeting on to see if it was going to work and realised I really need the wing fitted. It was clear with the shapes of the leading and trailing edge sections that dowels weren't going to work. So I have opted for a dual wing bolt set up. This is the forward one. And this is the rear one. I have used wood glue, bolts and then wicked thin zap in too. Of course this means the front of the wing may need reinforcing, need to check back through the picks to see whats under the sheeting Cheers Danny Edited By Danny Fenton on 30/10/2014 23:12:03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Muckley Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hi Danny just to echo what other's have said your doing a great, no, brilliant job of guiding us novice's through the build and after this one with all the curve ball's it's throwing up wee'l all be better builder's for it as well as the new techniques we're learning. As far as i am concerned this is a run through for another project later on i look at it as my apprenticeship, ok i still want a nice flying model and sure i will have, but it is what it is mate, a go at doing something scale. 1/4 scale next year? count me in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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