Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Well actuallly, no - there is not a limitation to RCM&E Plans - I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. The Mass Build has built Traplet designs before now - the Pushycat being a case in point I think and in the vintage themed year the vast majority were not RCM&E designs. The MB is not a promotional excercise for RCM&E - honestly! Its a straight forward attempt to get people building with whatever design fills the requirements of being interesting and at the same time within the scope of a first time builder - albeit with some assistance. It's true that, in some respects, its easier if its an RCM&E plan - over things such as organising laser cutting for those that want it etc. But it is by no means a requirement. But anyway - I think the designs we have are are fine - RCM&E or not! Yes they are of a similar size and wing loading - but that is often going to be the case if your looking for a popular size, straight forward to build, good flying model. There is a limit to how much you can change things within that envelope. Some folks have said they would have liked to see more of this or that model. Yes, there are some very different designs in Peter's catalogue, but as he suggests above many of them would have presented a new builder with very challenging problems which they may not have been able to overcome sucessfully - even with help. So we come back to what is the MB about? Its about encourgaing new builders whilst at the same time giving the old-hands a bit of fun building a model that perhaps they can show their ingenuity on by developing some innovative changes - and at the end of the day everyone gets a great flying model. I think these five fit that bill perfectly! BEB Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 10/11/2015 10:29:09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Posted by Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 10/11/2015 10:26:55: Yes they are of a similar size and wing loading - but that is often going to be the case if your looking for a popular size, straight forward to build, good flying model.... So we come back to what is the MB about? Its about encouraging new builders whilst at the same time giving the old-hands a bit of fun building a model that perhaps they can show their ingenuity on by developing some innovative changes ..... and at the end of the day everyone gets a great flying model. I think these five fit that bill perfectly! BEB Agreed And, as Craig said, if the Werewolf is selected I'll absolutely be looking at fitting retracts. Never used them before, but the Werewolf seems to be the perfect project to try something new and give some of those reasonably priced servoless HK jobbies a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Pity about that. I would have put in Rhapsody as I know that it would have been the one the Erfolg really would have liked to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I reckon the Werewolf would also make a neat Goodyear style racer with trousered U/C, it reminds me of an old design, possibly C/L, I think it was called TK52 or something along those lines. I must be getting old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Posted by Bob Cotsford on 10/11/2015 11:32:47: I reckon the Werewolf would also make a neat Goodyear style racer with trousered U/C, it reminds me of an old design, possibly C/L, I think it was called TK52 or something along those lines. I must be getting old Sure that you don't mean 334G by Peter Russell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Your memory is better than mine Peter, that's exactly what I was thinking of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Nice model and in fact inspiration for Werewolf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Plans for the 334G seem to be available still Was there a Focke Wulf 190 with an inline engine and not a radial? Edited By kc on 10/11/2015 12:18:49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 It could be that the Rhapsody could be the one that Peter (as well as myself) think should be the one that should be on the list for consideration. From memory it does tick all the boxes, for a MB model. To heighten the build frenzy and participation in the MB, could the RCM&E perhaps put up a prize, such as a RCM&E hat be awarded for the best build/finished/the most flown model. It is possible that PM could be encouraged to both present the prize, and add further value by signing the Hat and Model. Imagine the envy at the local patch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Posted by kc on 10/11/2015 12:16:23: Plans for the 334G seem to be available still Was there a Focke Wulf 190 with an inline engine and not a radial? Edited By kc on 10/11/2015 12:18:49 yes, but they kept the round cowl - the D models certainly had a Jumo in line job behind the round cowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Too late! and anyway Rhapsody is probably one of my most challenging builds. Methinks someone is extracting the Michael!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Bob, I knew at the back of my mind that there was an inline, I had forgeotten they were just hidden in a radial cowl ! A proper trophy would be better. However modest the actual trophy something engraved with ones name that can put on the sideboard forever is preferable. Perpetual trophies are liable to be lost so a modest trophy to keep is better. Maybe a sponsor could be found? Edited By kc on 10/11/2015 12:57:41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Posted by Bob Cotsford on 10/11/2015 12:05:32: Your memory is better than mine Peter, that's exactly what I was thinking of Both of your memories are better than mine! I did think the Werewolf had classic c/l looks and proportions - and some c/l stunters are amongst the best looking models around - but hadn't made the 334G connection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Perhaps the Harlequin is nearer the ideal Peter? What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 As has been stated non of the inline Fw or Ta looked like most inline installations. I would guess the issue was that it was far easier to arrange for the cooling radiator to be installed as an annular tube than to run piping to either wing mounted radiators and that a chin radiator would increase the cross sectional area. It may be just co-incidence that the Peter Russell 1956 Gold Trophy winner (334G) had a look of a Fw 190A. In many respects the use of a parallel sided front end, is much easier with IC powered model where beech beams are used for motor mounting. In addition, it is simpler to hide and duct a IC barrel/cylinder in a box type form. Perhaps the only indulgence was the wing mounted UC, providing a wide track, than the often seen with a firewall mounted UC, of slightly narrower track. I guess it was all about functionality as much as style. I always thought that the Skiffler by D Platt had more than a hint of the He 100D. You never know PM may have his own take on this one, although the span was already 5" bigger than the 334G Edited By Erfolg on 10/11/2015 13:27:30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Posted by Erfolg on 10/11/2015 13:07:29: Perhaps the Harlequin is nearer the ideal Peter? What are your thoughts? Erf - Peter has made his nominations, he selected them because each one represented some element in varying degrees of the MB ethos. I think we should not now seek to "steer" the voting in one way or another by asking the nominator which they prefer. Its up to us now to exercise our individual vote and let a decision emerge in a democratic fashion which is a consensus. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Just trying to keep the discussion going, considering matters beyond the looks, I am so, so, very sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Arhhhhhh! There, there! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 As I was lounging in my bath, glass in hand, yes that annual ritual has come round once again! As I contemplated would I really try and steer the selection process? Taking one more deep and hearty swig of Sarsaparilla and stout, I thought. Good God no! It would have been a Swamp Rat or Vans RV3 for me. As the water cooled and the kettle was now empty, I decided it was time to climb out of the bath, empty the bath down the yard, hang the tin bath up and go inside. Now where is my favourite axe to make the final finishing touches to my latest model, to clear the kitchen table for selected model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 LOL! Good to see you back on form. Don't forget to rinse out the lufer! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 What's the wing section on Ballerina Peter ..semi symmetrical ? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Posted by kc on 10/11/2015 12:55:45: A proper trophy would be better. However modest the actual trophy something engraved with ones name that can put on the sideboard forever is preferable. Perpetual trophies are liable to be lost so a modest trophy to keep is better. Maybe a sponsor could be found? Edited By kc on 10/11/2015 12:57:41 I'll chat with David and Beth and see what the Mag can come up with. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 My point was a proper trophy would be better than a signed hat! Keeping the event as a non competetive fly in might suit many people though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Yes, I understand KC - you asked if a sponsor might be found for such a trophy - as I say I'll ask. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Posted by john stones 1 on 11/11/2015 20:37:29: What's the wing section on Ballerina Peter ..semi symmetrical ? John Yes, I forget at the moment but I seem to remember NACA 3414. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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