Slopetrashuk Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 No A is OK? Consider this. Society is letigious. Laweys/Judges/CAA et al know little or nothing about flying RC models so they call in experts. They start with the BMFA/LMA/SAA etc who have jointly confered on what they consider to be best practice for flying RC models. This with the CAA involvement becomes CAP 658. CAP 658 is not law, but is considered to be the aforementioned best practice. Now, imagine the court considering why you are not adhering to the advice of the bodies who put this best practice together in attaining their safe solo standard of flight especially as the framework exists to easily undertake it. Yes these are personal achievement schemes and yes they are not mandatory and yes most clubs will expect you achieve some standard before letting you loose on your own but one day it is entirely possible that certification will become mandatory. Imagine the muck flying here then from the "I've been flying since Ikarus was a lad, nobody's going to tell me what to do" brigade. Myron may well explode! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slopetrashuk Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Advisory and Best Practice are slightly different things. You are free not to follow advice but would be wise to follow the best practices of the advisors to the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 It would be nice to get my "A", as I would then be able to fly at other clubs apart from mine. It would be nice if I could get out and fly. It would be nice to have better weather. It would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Posted by Slopetrashuk on 08/01/2016 20:41:03: Advisory and Best Practice are slightly different things. You are free not to follow advice but would be wise to follow the best practices of the advisors to the law. If it came to a court case and it could be proved that you were in breach of CAP 658 then a decent claim of negligence could be constructed against you even though CAP 659 is Advisory it is issued by the CAA the legal governing body so would carry weight in court as an "expert witness" would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 It is encouraging to see 21% of respondents saying they are going for their FW B test. But is this like a New Year's resolution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 for me it's more of 'nice to do at some point' than 'I will take my B this year'. I have difficulty planning what I'm going to have for breakfast never mind making new year resolutions and trying to stick to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH 82A Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 BMFA dropped us all into the arms of the lawyers, the minute they introduced these tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben goodfellow 1 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 ihave to try my b cert . although not through choice , i have to have it to fly the 7kg+ planes at the field ,,, that ive been flying for the last two years .... while some one who passed in 1976 or what ever can fly what they want .....sensible or what ,,,,,fly low .......under 7kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Posted by DH 82A on 09/01/2016 12:37:53: BMFA dropped us all into the arms of the lawyers, the minute they introduced these tests. Absolute nonsense. Whether you hold any certification or not has absolutely no bearing on whether you are operating lawfully. If your statement had any semblance of reality it would have proven to be an issue at some point over the last 30 or so years since the tests were introduced. Ther has been precislet zero cases where either holding a certificate or not has had any effect on either insurance claims or any legal matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH 82A Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Posted by Andy Symons - BMFA on 09/01/2016 16:02:01: Posted by DH 82A on 09/01/2016 12:37:53: BMFA dropped us all into the arms of the lawyers, the minute they introduced these tests. Absolute nonsense. Whether you hold any certification or not has absolutely no bearing on whether you are operating lawfully. If your statement had any semblance of reality it would have proven to be an issue at some point over the last 30 or so years since the tests were introduced. Ther has been precislet zero cases where either holding a certificate or not has had any effect on either insurance claims or any legal matter. Maybe not yet, but it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil67 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Beth - are you going to include the SAA system of certification? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Osbourne Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Voted for my fixed wing 'B' on this, really need to get it done this year. Gary rawlings and another examiner did my test back in about 2001 but despite my many phone calls at the time after i waited over a month, gary never sent off my paperwork and so i never got my 'b' certificate! Due to life I came out of r/c flying from between about 2002-2012 so hopefully this year if i can, I will get the opportunity to do it at some point! Edited By Marc Osbourne on 13/01/2016 00:57:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenz Mueller Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 no such system in Switzerland - so no certificate for me... Lorenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 If you have the money to spend on a large model LMA size then yes have some sort of certificate etc. Small models no, its a hobby BMFA handbook with a bit of common sense is all you need. Day at the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan iuiggu Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I'm going to try for my helicopter a, wish me luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Posted by ryan iuiggu on 15/01/2016 20:44:00: I'm going to try for my helicopter a, wish me luck Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil67 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Beth SAA system, take it that's a no then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly P Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Voted for Slope - A, but likely to look at electric A and possibly FW A, fleet, weather and time/examiners allowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 TBH, Neil, with 13 categories already I think it would make the poll a bit choice-heavy. I would say that the SAA levels fairly closely approximate to the BMFA scheme, so selecting the closest would be fine. We have members all over the world here and if they choose to vote, I'd expect them to do that in line with their national schemes. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Bertram Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I put a fixed wing 'A' in the poll and much to my surprise I achieved it on Sunday. Many thanks to all the Waveney club members who stood by me and freezed their thingies off whilst I described some unusual manoeuvers in the sky in practise for the event. Edited By Bob Bertram on 21/01/2016 21:26:37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonryan Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Fixed wing 'A' here as well. Had my fist go flying a real model, as opposed to a sim, the other Sunday. Blokes at Sedgemoor FC (Somerset) couldn't have been more welcoming, and being a WW2 airfield, the site is bloody marvelous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Posted by Bob Bertram on 21/01/2016 21:20:07: I put a fixed wing 'A' in the poll and much to my surprise I achieved it on Sunday. Many thanks to all the Waveney club members who stood by me and freezed their thingies off whilst I described some unusual manoeuvers in the sky in practise for the event. Edited By Bob Bertram on 21/01/2016 21:26:37 Bit late Bob but congratulations anyway John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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