Josip Vrandecic -Mes Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I am so old that I remember this glider in 1957, but I forgot where ? Also this is the one and only useful ''selfie''.....ever...... **LINK** Edited By Josip Vrandecic -Mes on 12/01/2017 19:15:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Palmer Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Wow! I was in the RAF section of the CCF (Combined Cadet Force) when I was at secondary school (mid 60's) and they had one of those, or a very similar glider. Unfortunately I only ever saw it used a couple of times and I never got a go. They used to bungee it across the school fields but it only ever got a few feet of the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 That is a very cool flying machine - not very good, but very cool! Nice share that Jo! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Bertram Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Scott 2 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 There is a real example in the RAF Manston History Museum, please note this is not the BoB Museum. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Back in the 30s I think FJCamm published a book on model aircraft. In that book was a complete set of drawings and instructions to builda very similar glider. I wonder if any ever got build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Peter Miller on 12/01/2017 21:04:27: Back in the 30s I think FJCamm published a book on model aircraft. In that book was a complete set of drawings and instructions to build a very similar glider. I wonder if any ever got build A model certainly did: **LINK** My father still uses an SG38 removable ballast weight as his 'large lump of metal' in the garage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon barr Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Andy Palmer on 12/01/2017 19:29:59: Wow! I was in the RAF section of the CCF (Combined Cadet Force) when I was at secondary school (mid 60's) and they had one of those, or a very similar glider. Unfortunately I only ever saw it used a couple of times and I never got a go. They used to bungee it across the school fields but it only ever got a few feet of the ground. We had one at our CCF as well.... Was it not the EoN Newbury Flyer? Or am I thinking of something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Mackey Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Josip Vrandecic -Mes on 12/01/2017 19:15:29: I am so old that I remember this glider in 1957, but I forgot where ? Also this is the one and only useful ''selfie''.....ever...... **LINK** Not YOUR selfie tho eh Josip ? Nice find Edited By Josip Vrandecic -Mes on 12/01/2017 19:15:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Palmer Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Simon, you could well be right, they look very similar. Found this pic of an EoN Primary glider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josip Vrandecic -Mes Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Hi Peter Miller , I think it will be something of this project during the 2017. Otherwise, this glider we call Sparrow, and for re-birth is credited by the famous Croatian modeler Mr. Gorazd (Eastern Croatia -Osjek ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 There have been a couple of SG 38 completed models for sale on RCG recently. **LINK** **LINK** I recall a kit being available from the Vintagesailplaner too. As you might expect, the models perform very much like the full size version with a lot of drag and a fairly steep glide ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon barr Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Andy Palmer on 13/01/2017 10:09:39: Simon, you could well be right, they look very similar. Found this pic of an EoN Primary glider. Ah, the Primary... That's it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuphedd Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Can I add " I remember it well " I was also in the RAF wing of the CCF ( 1950-59)and we had one of those gliders, Launched off a twin bungee with 10 cadets either side ,We could only play with it in very dry weather when the grass was not slipery as it tended to launch the guys on the bungee rather that the glider . The elevator control could be locked so as it would not take off and you had to do 10 "slides " with out the wing tip touching the ground and then you advanced to "hops " which again were limited by the pull on the bungee. A great machine to learn basics on , I never saw ours at over 30 feet cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Jones Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 In the UK this was a Slingsby T.38 Grasshopper primary trainer. There's one still in use (not for training) with the 621 VGS Flight:. Just found a better photo: Edited By Ian Jones on 13/01/2017 15:56:34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Palmer Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Pete Willbourn on 13/01/2017 14:57:47: Can I add " I remember it well " I was also in the RAF wing of the CCF ( 1950-59)and we had one of those gliders, Launched off a twin bungee with 10 cadets either side ,We could only play with it in very dry weather when the grass was not slipery as it tended to launch the guys on the bungee rather that the glider . The elevator control could be locked so as it would not take off and you had to do 10 "slides " with out the wing tip touching the ground and then you advanced to "hops " which again were limited by the pull on the bungee. A great machine to learn basics on , I never saw ours at over 30 feet cheers Yes, you've jogged my memory more now, the launch with a twin bungee was the same. I don't remember anything about locking the elevator but it was probably the same. As I said earlier it was very rarely used and I never got a go. Health and Safety would have a fit nowadays! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Z Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Ian Jones on 13/01/2017 15:53:05: In the UK this was a Slingsby T.38 Grasshopper primary trainer. There's one still in use (not for training) with the 621 VGS Flight:. Just found a better photo: Edited By Ian Jones on 13/01/2017 15:56:34 Thinks there was another name in use, "The Dagling", I think it was the same thing. Saw one at a gliding club a few years back. Never got a chance to fly it as it was undergoing annual checks if I remember. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Jones Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Posted by Stuart Z on 13/01/2017 17:05:42: Posted by Ian Jones on 13/01/2017 15:53:05: In the UK this was a Slingsby T.38 Grasshopper primary trainer. There's one still in use (not for training) with the 621 VGS Flight:. Just found a better photo: Edited By Ian Jones on 13/01/2017 15:56:34 Thinks there was another name in use, "The Dagling", I think it was the same thing. Saw one at a gliding club a few years back. Never got a chance to fly it as it was undergoing annual checks if I remember. S Quite right Stuart. The Grasshopper, Dagling and Zogling can all be traced back to Alexander Lippisch, the Zogling as far as I have been able to establish being the original which has spawned even more designs than those mentioned here. The Zogling had a pretty good going over in another thread when Stuart Eggerton recorded his model build of one. Edited By Ian Jones on 13/01/2017 17:48:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The Dagling was a licence-built Zogling, built by RF Dagnall of Godalming. They were better known in later years for their RFD liferafts. Later Dagling production was by Slingsby's as the T.3 Primary. These formed the backbone of pre-war gliding instruction before two seat gliders were readily available. The post-war Slingsby T.38 Grasshopper for the Air Cadets and Combined Cadet Forces, although similar, is a different design. The EoN (Elliotts of Newbury) Primary was a licence built SG38 and known as the 'Eton TX.1' in Air Cadet service. A friend whose school Air Cadet squadron had a T.38, recalled being given an extra powerful bungee launch, and due in part to his light weight, soared up over a tree on the school boundary and landed in the adjacent field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Palmer Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Excellent info Robin, that seems to tie all the loose ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 This is a shot I took at Shuttleworth last year. I'm really not sure I'd like to be the chap in the seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Jackson Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Fully automatic - "nothing can go wrong, can go wrong, can go wrong..............." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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