cymaz Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 England went all wrong from the first kick. They never had a chance to string a play together ( apart from the 25play that nearly scarred us a try). Too many penalties given away from the sheer brute force of the ‘boks Heres to the next 6 nations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Fledermaus Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 England showed petulant behaviour in not clapping the referee and match officials and removing their runner up medals. You might say they were bad losers, I couldn't possibly comment. Edited By Dai Fledermaus on 02/11/2019 15:14:43 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Token Scotsman here. Bit disappointed that England lost if only for the desire to see the cup come to the NH for a change. However, I feel England continue to suffer from a problem I feel they've had for a long time and that is the inability to execute a plan B when things start to go wrong. If the game plan works, they're amongst the best in the world but when things start to go awry there seems to some sort of mental blockage (the Calcutta cup comes to mind). Having said that, when your scrum is so comprehensively dominated, it's always going to be an uphill struggle. Just a pity they couldn't save their best game for last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I also feel it was a bit disrespectful to refuse/take off losers medals. Not a good example to kids looking up to their heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 Not into the digs. You show disrespect with the here's where it went wrong comments, it went wrong because the Boks played better in every position, and gave a World Champions performance, plan B doesn't exist when the opponent plays that well, look back 1 week, where was the A.Bs plan B ? Lads are down because they gave everything for 4 years, I forgive em a bit of sulking, not as if the rest of our Countries set much of an example of late is it ? Here's a dog, looks a bit down, you can kick it if you like. You done your online tests yet and ready to register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly boy3 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I am afraid it is not petulance or childish actions re silver medals saga, it's arrogance. This is why I,m sure the rivalry in the six nations is all about. It began with Haka challenge, before the NZ game. One player even refused to move back when asked by the referee ! England are a top world class rugby nation, they should not have to lower themselves to this nonsense. Cheers, gets ww2 helmet from shed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I blame the BMFA myself, where was Andy Symons ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly boy3 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Love it John, Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 I reckon it's probably better we lost FB3, how would we cope if we had to smile, or hand out praise ? P.S Edited By john stones 1 on 02/11/2019 17:32:24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Good months rugby though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 Posted by Don Fry on 02/11/2019 17:34:42: Good months rugby though. Yep very good, we'll have em next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 If we step up the hardness. There is some credence about the What's the plan B comment. Mr Johnston used to say, Winning Ugly. In football, Fergie Time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Posted by john stones 1 on 02/11/2019 17:07:09: Not into the digs. You show disrespect with the here's where it went wrong comments, it went wrong because the Boks played better in every position, and gave a World Champions performance, plan B doesn't exist when the opponent plays that well, look back 1 week, where was the A.Bs plan B ? Lads are down because they gave everything for 4 years, I forgive em a bit of sulking, not as if the rest of our Countries set much of an example of late is it ? Here's a dog, looks a bit down, you can kick it if you like. You done your online tests yet and ready to register. Not into digs? "not as if the rest of our Countries set much of an example of late is it ?" Pot, kettle, black etc. Next time I won't bother supporting England. And, no. I haven't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Can we perhaps delay WW3 until the 1st February. And Michael, thank you for your support. And you will in future lend support, because, one day we have to bring that thing North. I don't give a monkies who does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 While I'm a little sad that the team couldn't raise themselves to act with a bit more grace, we should applaud their efforts in reaching the last 2 and beating the All Blacks convincingly along the way. However, I had to have a wry smile at one of the critics on this forum who berated them for not showing any pleasure in accepting their "losers" medals. Surely they were "runners up" and that comment subtly reveals the general attitude of the average punter, however outraged they may profess themselves. Edited By Martin Harris on 02/11/2019 19:54:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 Posted by Michael Ramsay-Fraser on 02/11/2019 19:05:16: Posted by john stones 1 on 02/11/2019 17:07:09: Not into the digs. You show disrespect with the here's where it went wrong comments, it went wrong because the Boks played better in every position, and gave a World Champions performance, plan B doesn't exist when the opponent plays that well, look back 1 week, where was the A.Bs plan B ? Lads are down because they gave everything for 4 years, I forgive em a bit of sulking, not as if the rest of our Countries set much of an example of late is it ? Here's a dog, looks a bit down, you can kick it if you like. You done your online tests yet and ready to register. Not into digs? "not as if the rest of our Countries set much of an example of late is it ?" Pot, kettle, black etc. Next time I won't bother supporting England. And, no. I haven't I'm in the bad books again, " Not as if the rest of our Countries set much of an example of late is it ". I wasn't referring to the home nations rugby nor their conduct, my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Don, you're quite correct. I'd be happy to see any Nh team bring the cup home and, yes, even England. Martin, apologies. You're correct too. I should have said runners up medals. Still think the attitude was wrong though as was the teams 'stunt' before the AB game and rightly fined for it. However, please don't assume I'm an 'average punter'. I doubt you know anything about my involvement with the game as I don't know anything about yours. The day rugby players start acting like petulant, overpaid footballers is the day I give up being involved with the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Posted by Jon Laughton on 02/11/2019 11:55:48: Very disappointed but proud to be an Englishman +1 silver ain't too bad after all that, great tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich too Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I’m into football rather than rugby generally but one of the things I like about rugby is the respect shown by the players to the refs, other teams etc.. i can’t comment on them taking off the medals, as I turned off after yet another penalty gift which took the game away from England. SA were great, but England never turned up. Perhaps they thought this would be a formality after beating the AB. Very disappointing performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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