Eric Robson Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Hi Danny, I only live a mile from the club field and as the wind speed dropped I went back this evening. I had 5 flights the longest 10 mins. after which the battery had 34% left. It looked great with the sun at my back blue sky and a few white clouds just wish someone else had been there to take some flying shots. rolls are very barrel like loops straight, stall turns no bother all good landings. Take off into the wind essential just slightly across and you have to be quick , you are right about the cross wind, I only read your post when I returned home. It is not so bad landing slightly cross wind as long as you keep the power on. In all a very satisfactory evening with no dramas or nasties. Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Fantastic news, well done Eric, let's hope we can all get together sometime to fly them en-mass The roll rate is not too good I knew that, it is rarely rolled at full size shows, I am sure Andy told me that Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 I contacted Martin to ask the size of the gun barrels he did for his, and he said it was from Gwyns thread. Martin was in work so could offer no more advice. I opened Gwyn's Fury MkI thread on RC ScaleBulder, and I had forgotten how amazing that model is...... anyway after going through over a hundred pages of jaw dropping modelling I found the picture I showed earlier. What it has shown me is how much more I have to learn. I made a couple of gun barrels tonight, and sprayed them gun metal, no idea what colour they should be, but perhaps black with some graphite powder would have also worked? Ordered a new Rx today, going for one with a gyro, about time I got with the program. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Posted by Danny Fenton on 23/06/2020 23:15:21: I contacted Martin to ask the size of the gun barrels he did for his, and he said it was from Gwyns thread. Martin was in work so could offer no more advice. I opened Gwyn's Fury MkI thread on RC ScaleBulder, and I had forgotten how amazing that model is...... anyway after going through over a hundred pages of jaw dropping modelling I found the picture I showed earlier. What it has shown me is how much more I have to learn. I made a couple of gun barrels tonight, and sprayed them gun metal, no idea what colour they should be, but perhaps black with some graphite powder would have also worked? Ordered a new Rx today, going for one with a gyro, about time I got with the program. Cheers Danny Hi Danny if it fly's as good as mine you won't need a giro. What did you make the barrels with? Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Hi Eric, i appreciate the model doesn't need a gyro, but I may enter the odd FO event with it, and if the weather is less than perfect it helps smooth the flight. I have to get familiar with them as my future comp models will have them to be competitive. The barrels are from evergreen plastic, styrene tube, i can check the diameter tomorrow if it helps? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Thanks Danny. the holes look very neat, did you use a milling machine? I would guess the tube is about 6 mm. Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Hi Eric, thanks, the tube is 10mm diam. the holes were drilled undersize with a dremel after careflu marking out, then the holes opened up with a sharp drill bit by hand. Can't help but think there should be some form of barrel within, but with no reference will have to adlib.... Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I think you're right Danny, the slotted sleeve was, iirc, the water cooling jacket cut to allow more air cooling to the inside barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Hi Danny, I think I would struggle to get the holes as neat. The guns on the full size would probably firing .303 bullets so your 10mm diam. tube would have a barrel inside. Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Clark 2 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Posted by Danny Fenton on 22/06/2020 19:50:22: Not entirely sure where you are going with that Richard? Camm's influence can be seen through all the Hawker designs, which included biplanes, monoplanes, and one of the fastest piston engined fighters able to take on a Mig, right through to the VTOL Harrier. Not sure I would equate Hawkers to Leyland? Cheers Danny I do like the Hawker biplanes But there's no denying that they all look very similar. So if I was making a model of one (and I have been tempted) I would make a 'generic' one incorporating the 'prettiest' features of any of them. Austin Cambridge, Morris Oxford, or Hawker Hart, Hawker Fury, - any of them will do. Incidentally the Hawker biplanes were mostly used for dropping leaflets printed in English, which of course they didn't understand, on 'rebellious' middle east tribesmen equipped with obsolete British rifles we ourselves had suppled to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Hi Eric, I chopped some more plastic tubing and wrapped it in masking tape, likewise a short section of alloy tube. Dab of paint and think they will do just nicely. Hi Richard, I am a big fan of Camm's work, but there is probably a prettier "similar" biplane, the Fairey Fantom which would be a nice generic model. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR 71 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Well Danny all i can say is it's a good job as you say ( it is only sort of stand off scale,) Just joking it is mightily impressive, iv enjoyed the thread Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Hi Tony, thanks glad you are enjoying the build. How are you coping in this current world of chaos, staying safe? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Clark 2 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Posted by Danny Fenton on 24/06/2020 09:45:43: Hi Eric, I chopped some more plastic tubing and wrapped it in masking tape, likewise a short section of alloy tube. Dab of paint and think they will do just nicely. Hi Richard, I am a big fan of Camm's work, but there is probably a prettier "similar" biplane, the Fairey Fantom which would be a nice generic model. Cheers Danny I did look at the Fantom(e) Incidentally I live in the valley of the River Test, Hampshire. The Romsey to Stockbridge road had a large number of aviation company heads or well-known aviation figures living there. Possibly because they were all keen fly fishers for trout, as am I. Both Hawkers (the 'other' one gained a Victoria Cross, is honoured by a stained glass window in a local church, and was eventually shot down by Richthofen), Sopwith, Fairey, Bowden (the developer of stranded aviation control cables), JW Dunne, of the tailless biplanes, later head of what became 'Farnborough, and author of the perceptive and haunting book 'Sunshine and the Dry Fly', Hubert Broad, DH test plot, and Alex Henshaw, racer and Vickers-Armstrong test pilot, and for a couple of years A V Roe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 The top wing masking, I was dreading this. And it was as bad as expected. I had hoped that I could use stencils to lay the squares down in one go, but the slightest waver of a line and it all went to pot. In the end I used the cutter to cut all the squares, then I went around and placed each one, quite a painful exercise, but much better than having to mask without the cutter! Probably the most complex masking job I have done to date, but I am pretty pleased with it. Room for improvement, but there always is. And yes I did refer back to photographs repeatedly to make sure I had the right sequence, who would know if I didn't? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Hi Danny, I need to make some guns for mine the empty troughs don't look right. So I will copy yours. The black and white is my favourite scheme but I went for the easy option. Talking of being in control I bought a car that changes gear for me, mainly because of an arthritic left wrist and hip. I was out flying the Fury today, the other flyers liked it a lot managed to get a short video of it flying, the only bad landing went on record I had it on low rates trying to keep it steady in a strong wind and through chatting to the camera man I forgot to go to high for the final and it nosed over. Now I have to find out how to down load it off my phone as it is too big to E. Mail. Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 Copy away Eric, I mounted them on 3/16 wooden blocks to get the height sort of in the middle of the troughs. Really defeats me why no pictures on the web anywhere?? Easiest way is to upload it to you-tube, looking forward to flying mine now, what was your final weight, mine is going to have an additional half pound of sound system Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Sorry Danny I thought I had put the final weight on the wrap I had wrote it down but missed it . It is 3.8kg. mine takes off at just over half throttle. Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Just over 8 lbs that is excellent Eric well done. I have been playing with Illustrator a bit more. One of the benefits of all this is that my skills are improving imensely. A huge leap was turning on the auto guides that I didn't even know existed! and my version in red, laid over the top, pretty accurate I would say..... I found a font that was sort of close then made the font into a compound shape and expanded it. This gave me anchor points for every line change of direction. I could then drag those around to match what I needed. So if I ever need this WT stencil again its in the library. The Hurricane is later and uses a more blocky WT emplem. The Numeric text was nice and simple its a std Stencil font, just stretched and narrowed as required which was lucky. I guess whoever did the restoration took the commercial font route too Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 That really looks the part Danny, way beyond my skills. It took a lot of head scratching and the help of Martian to up load a picture. I am now trying to get the wind noise off a video of the Fury flying. Cheers Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Thanks Eric, you are welcome to the stencils when I am done, but you will need an airbrush. Shame to bin them they are easily re-used. I use two right angle or "L" pieces of A4 to screen the surrounding area, I will be using a new Harder and Steenback .2mm airbrush for this and the line is so fine, I could do it without the additional masking, but I better be cautious. The "L" is easily moved on to the next stencil as you move around the model But that's a job for another time, out of time tonight..... Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Hi Danny, I will take you up on that I have a basic airbrush but it may not do the job. on the other hand one of the other builders who is better equipped than me may find a use for them, It is a pity to bin them. Cheers and good morning Eric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose L. G. Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Hi Danny. Excellent work on the paint and stencils. I´m also interested in the stencils and dzus fasteners drawing. Have a good weekend. José Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Thanks José really enjoy this bit of the build. Do you just want the Illustrator drawings? Or do you and Eric want to share some of the stencils, there are several identical W/T symbols, the numbers can be the same, nobody will know You are more than welcome to the .ai files. I lost one W/T stencil where i removed it a bit too enthusiastically and pulled a bit of the "W" off, I was more careful after that. But as you can see there are 8 W/T and an assortment of numbers If anybody wants any? But you will need an airbrush, painting by hand will not usually work in my experience. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose L. G. Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Really sublime, Danny. If you don´t mind. I`m interested in the drawings, as I live way far from both of you. I have a Silohuete Portrait 2, so I can cut my own stencils. Cheers. J.L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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