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Looking like shed time today. 

 

Just about shook off the effects of the red wine from last nights wedding aniversary celebrations. Todays sermon will be the re-fitting of new snakes for the control surfaces ....... again. 3rd time lucky.

 

As mentioned above in a earlier post, I will try and get some photos of how the snakes are " anchored " to provide stiffening and remove the potential of slop.

 

A mixture of the original fixing points for the original  metal push rods and maybe some additional fixing points added for a belt and braces approach.

 

See you in the shed.

 

Toto

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OK ....... in the shed and I have been re-installing new snakes for the elevators x 2 and rudder x 1.

 

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so above we have the rudder ......

 

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and the 1st of the two elevators ....... The control horn for the elevators ( both ) will be getting moved .... thats my next job .....

 

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The other elevator ....... Then we go inside the fuselage to see a mixture of existing push rod routes and where they were secured ... and some others that I have added. Some of the cross bracing pieces that the existing push rods had gone through had been broken so I have bodged a few bits of extra ply etc to provide fixings again. A bit rough but they work.

 

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you can see where the snakes exit the rear fuselage and they are a tight fit and wont move of their own accord .....

 

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and again .....

 

P1120434.thumb.JPG.6322164ac01720a23a240f113a2a7670.JPGThe rear most cross brace was already a mess and did not

 

hold the original push rod tubes at all. I've had to bodge some light ply in to hold things and there was very little room to work so it aint pretty ....

 

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again ..... some bodging going on but they are very secure now ...

 

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one of the more secure of the existing cross braces.

 

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coming out to the servo bay but this meant an unsupported 4 inches or so of tubing before reaching the servos ..... So ..... I started installing another cross brace to provide further fixing points ....

 

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and ......

 

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there we have it .......

 

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much better .......

 

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just need to trim the outer and inner tubing to length and fit the various clevises etc for connection to the servos and rear horns. 

 

I'll start at the rear and work my way forwards. Starting by moving the control horns in better alignment with the elevator hinges .... and slightly more inwards towards the fuselage.

 

I think this attempt will yield better results and the snakes will be more ridgid hopefully eradicating the potential for unwanted slop with the control surfaces.

 

cheers for now

 

toto

 

 

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18 minutes ago, toto said:

OK ....... in the shed and I have been re-installing new snakes for the elevators x 2 and rudder x 1.

 

P1120443.thumb.JPG.df35a7e97e0a346e6fb3c676762de348.JPG

 

so above we have the rudder ......

 

P1120445.thumb.JPG.79059f3c4f7ea3097ff32fb04eb9d626.JPG

 

and the 1st of the two elevators ....... The control horn for the elevators ( both ) will be getting moved .... thats my next job .....

 

P1120444.thumb.JPG.a0b04e901090c0864fec8991880f8ade.JPG

 

The other elevator ....... Then we go inside the fuselage to see a mixture of existing push rod routes and where they were secured ... and some others that I have added. Some of the cross bracing pieces that the existing push rods had gone through had been broken so I have bodged a few bits of extra ply etc to provide fixings again. A bit rough but they work.

 

P1120432.thumb.JPG.7f2f7951c88f1ef70cc475b588d938d6.JPG

 

you can see where the snakes exit the rear fuselage and they are a tight fit and wont move of their own accord .....

 

P1120433.thumb.JPG.52892f3690d93f64f05b9bea77baf515.JPG

 

and again .....

 

P1120434.thumb.JPG.6322164ac01720a23a240f113a2a7670.JPGThe rear most cross brace was already a mess and did not

 

hold the original push rod tubes at all. I've had to bodge some light ply in to hold things and there was very little room to work so it aint pretty ....

 

P1120435.thumb.JPG.3b016abbeeaf9279b2ed3829f3d683ca.JPG

 

again ..... some bodging going on but they are very secure now ...

 

P1120436.thumb.JPG.8083b2cceae161e366904d7d1168a303.JPG

 

one of the more secure of the existing cross braces.

 

P1120437.thumb.JPG.f00f1b512206d28c6916e06d5d989469.JPG

 

coming out to the servo bay but this meant an unsupported 4 inches or so of tubing before reaching the servos ..... So ..... I started installing another cross brace to provide further fixing points ....

 

P1120439.thumb.JPG.184051b9c80d79f3d5bce94890f0fc27.JPG

 

and ......

 

P1120440.thumb.JPG.149d094591d1d07004bdc04213a2584b.JPG

 

there we have it .......

 

P1120441.thumb.JPG.34a1dcf1e0a53d30e16975c12e929772.JPG

 

much better .......

 

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just need to trim the outer and inner tubing to length and fit the various clevises etc for connection to the servos and rear horns. 

 

I'll start at the rear and work my way forwards. Starting by moving the control horns in better alignment with the elevator hinges .... and slightly more inwards towards the fuselage.

 

I think this attempt will yield better results and the snakes will be more ridgid hopefully eradicating the potential for unwanted slop with the control surfaces.

 

cheers for now

 

toto

 

 

You really need the exit points in the fuselage for the elevator snake as close to the horn as possible to stop any flex

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I'm actually looking at this very point as we type so to speak. It's not so bad on the side that has the elevator only ..... but on the other side where there is the elevator and rudder push rods .... things look a bit congested. I think I can  ove the exit slot further rear which would help but it will mean a bit of filling and covering to hide the original exit points. 

 

I'm surprised the manufacturer didn't have these more accurate in the first place. In my opinion .... they have always been too far forward within the fuselage.

 

I may be back in the shed and on the case later tonight. I have stopped for now.

 

Cheers

 

Toto

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17 minutes ago, toto said:

Hi Learner,

 

I'll take a closer look at where the elevator pushrods exit the fuselage to see if they are similar in terms of length etc.

 

I'll try and post back up with images.

 

Cheers

 

Toto

I'm not sure if that will cause a problem but I do know that trying to set up dual elevators properly needs a bit of thought.

Hopefully someone with a bit more experience will clarify

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4 hours ago, Nick Cripps said:

You mean like this, GG?

 

I replaced the elevator pushrod on my Wot4 with a snake to help minimise water ingress when flying it with floats. As the pre-cut slot is well forward of the tailplane, I added a short balsa wedge in the angle to provide support to the snake outer.

 

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It does indeed look very neat and I pay note to the distance from tube to horn. I assume you had the job of making the exit as opposed to it being dictated and created at the factory.

 

The exit slot on my build is somewhat further back on the fuselage but I may be able to influence that going forward. It may just mean a bit more patching and covering up.

 

Toto

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I did indeed have that job. That said - nothing to do you making the right slot for your install, and then sticking a patch of covering over the old one.

 

For future reference (maybe) slec sell a neat moulded snake exit doodad which makes things look lovely when it's all together. I've used one on the elevator snake here:

 

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all manner of untidy holes and gobs of epoxy can be hidden by one of those.

 

I use them on most of my airframes. 

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I think I have some of those exity thingmebobs..... I haven't started tying in the snakes to the horns yet so maybe some more work to do in moving the exits to create a smoother transition and a judicious amount of repair and recover work.

 

Toto

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G'day toto.

 

When using snakes I found that crossing the snakes to the opposite side of the fuselage exit gives a much gentler curve and smoother action than trying to run them straight with a dog-leg at the exit.

 

In other words, rudder (or elevator) servo mounted on left side of the fuselage, snake curves gently to exit on the right side at the rear end.

 

* Chris *

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Yes .... it was designed with solid pushrods but the snakes were suggested as an alternative to try and smooth out some of the awkward geometry.

 

There was not any real suggestion that going down this line was a bad idea. If that's the case, I'm simply going round in circles. I need to try and get this to a place where it is finished. I'll continue with the snakes to a position where they have been installed to a workable solution and test things from there. I really don't want to be jumping back and forward getting nowhere. 

 

I think the snakes at the front end ( servo tray end ) will now be rigid enough, I just need to decide whether the snakes are unsupported for too long between the rear exit point and the control horns. If so and only if so, I can try and create a new exit point further down the fuselage.

 

I think that sounds like a reasonable plan.

 

Toto

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