Manish Chandrayan Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, mikem65d said: I would love to know how we in the US can get any parts for the Laser engines we have bought. MSL does not ship to the US or any other country. Yeah! The only way for international customers is to have a few friends in UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 You can only hope that MSL can change its policy in the circumstances. Are you going by present advertised policy or have you approached them directly? Might be worth doing so if you haven’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem65d Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 30 minutes ago, Manish Chandrayan said: Yeah! The only way for international customers is to have a few friends in UK. LOL I was born in Cirencester (1955).............that should count for something😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 I live in France and needed a silencer for my Laser 70. MSL told me directly that they didn't export. I had it sent to my mate in Shrewsbury which is where I'm from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Martin Harris - Moderator said: You can only hope that MSL can change its policy in the circumstances. Are you going by present advertised policy or have you approached them directly? Might be worth doing so if you haven’t. I had corresponded with them when they had started to list Lasers. Was categorically told that they do not ship international Edited April 14 by Manish Chandrayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 14 Author Share Posted April 14 Too much hassle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem65d Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, Martin Harris - Moderator said: You can only hope that MSL can change its policy in the circumstances. Are you going by present advertised policy or have you approached them directly? Might be worth doing so if you haven’t. It's a shame that Laser went belly up. I thought they did quite well when they made the singles and V twins that Neil designed. Perhaps all the money spent on the non boxer twins depleted all the capitol and the owner decided it wasn't worth the effort to keep a sinking ship afloat. To turn the parts supply over to a seller that won't help anyone outside the UK is even more of an insult to others who were loyal to Laser around the world. Best I guess I can do is try to correspond with MSL and get the spring size needed............ I do have a Neil Tidey built 200 V I can cannibalize if needed should my Jon H built 80 break a spring.....:)) The 200 was a lucky buy for $200.00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 I think that’s a bit unfair on Jon. The “development” of the boxers was a minor exercise by all accounts and its well documented that he didn’t feel that he was getting the support he wanted from the owner of the parent business which, after Neil’s departure, was felt to be very much of a sideline. I understand that Jon had no financial interest and was purely an employee - admittedly with a keen interest in the product. Any “beef” should be with the owner of the company who made the decision to terminate not only his company, but any (remote) possibility that Laser engines could carry on in different hands. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem65d Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Not being unfair on Jon at all...........I have all the respect in the world for him. He managed to keep Lasr in the game for years after Neil retired, and in today's hobby of modelers buying eveything from china that's quite a feat. The development of the non Boxers (that's what was developed) was surely what the owner wanted. But keep in mind that a Boxer is a smooth running twin with little to know vibration. A few fellows over here received a few of the twins and quite frankly weren't impressed with the vibration levels. That alone called off a lot of interest. The V twins are smoother. Had the opposed twins been Boxer design they would have been in huge demand. Especially at the price they were listed for. I'm saying that Laser closing down was inevitable, but the way parts are cut off fom us modelers around the world is just plain disrespectful to put it nicely. Who wants to put in a 1,000 hours of building and finishing a scale plane that is built around an engine that has no support is one thing, but to not have access to the parts if needed is just wrong. Engines for scale planes need not be perfect, but being able to service the engine is important when building scale. We can't just hack up and rebalance a scale model like this because a 10 dollar part is unobtainable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Sorry, of course they were common crankpin flat twins. As to the owner wanting them, I think I recall that it was the opposite way round and Jon created his “Frankenstein” prototype out of personal interest and was inundated with support from modellers asking for them to be put into production, having to work quite hard to persuade the boss to run off the parts needed. I do hope that you’ll find a way to obtain spares should you need them in the future. It’s not for me to comment on the stockist’s policy on international sales but perhaps it might be reviewed if sufficient enquiries are received? At least it sounds like some provision has been made by Laser’s owner for a batch of spare parts to be produced and stocked. I don’t think this has happened for ASP/SC since their decision to withdraw from the market as stocks seem to be running out fast! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 18 hours ago, mikem65d said: Had the opposed twins been Boxer design they would have been in huge demand. Especially at the price they were listed for. it couldnt have been done for the same price as a common throw crank. A full boxer would have cost a fortune and at maybe twice the cost of a v it wouldnt have sold. Also as vibration with a single throw was not a problem on test, and no owner has ever complained its a moot point anyway. This was discussed to death during the development. I have seen posts on facebook from people who have not owned one or seen one run claiming excessive vibration, but they simply havent a clue what they are talking about. They run fine, not as smooth as a V but not as 'bad' as a single, and power that thrashes the competition. Although unrelated, i like the 180 degree firing interval too. Makes a nice sound. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Something I particularly enjoy about my Saito 182 flat twin as well! Not as smooth as my ASP160 twin but that's exceptionally well balanced, being a true boxer. Of course, neither can be compared to my 200v... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith D Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Back to the topic of the in line upgrade, is there a timescale/schedule when the mod. is to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 I haven’t got a clue and have heard nothing back from AGC Geoff. My one has been with them since last September. Jon has said that they will be done and that the parts have been made but how long does one wait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 On 15/04/2024 at 18:15, Jon H said: but they simply havent a clue what they are talking about. Too true Jon, neither of mine, the 200 or the 310, have excessive vibration, in fact the 310 is quite smooth. I flew my 310 powered Giant Revolver again last Friday, the first time for a few months, and re-aquatinted myself with the awesome power and lovely sound. Hopefully take it out again tomorrow as I had a spare prop in the prop drawer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiBee Posted Monday at 21:52 Share Posted Monday at 21:52 I’ve have a Laser 100 which I sent in for investigation after a crash, beginning of March. I spoke to Geoff 2 or 3 weeks ago and he said he’d look into it but I’ve not heard anything since. Could do with it back now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted Monday at 22:29 Share Posted Monday at 22:29 Hope you get it resolved soon. I think you’ll be more likely to get a result by pursuing the owner than posting here - as far as I’m aware, he doesn’t use this forum. Jon, who gave us so much information and assistance on the forum no longer works for the company nor has any connection with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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