kiwi g Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Looking at the top 5 aircraft voted for so far Mosquito, rapide, swordfish , fw 190, avro vulcan , shows a good diversity of planes. Its a good outcome with no real one theme showing thru . It shows that on average people want the challenge .All will make great contenders for a build A twin, two bipes ,a warbird, and a jet. All have enough history and challenge to capture the imagination of a builder or plan collector, all are plans asked for by scale builders in other threads and sites. all have a good following of enthusiasts. Its not a competion to build a plane in the next month or two, so the aircraft will be built and flown over different time scales.Most would be the project that gets put on the worktable and built with pride and flown the same way. My lysander sits framed awaiting me to get more time to work on it, I cannot wait till weve resettled so I can get this project back out and do more work on it..unlike the great planes extra330 thats been sitting unloved ,half done in my garage the last couple of years. one reason I didnt finish it was , I ve bought a ARF one and have no need for the kit anymore . wheresas the lysander , well not too many ARFs of that to buy. Looks like the aston may be winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Kerr Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ref. last line of previous : True, and we will see as many built as we do Aston Martins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Coleman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 But I'd happily have a V12 Vantage in my Garage, just as I would happily have all of the top five but the Vulcan in my hangar. Whether I would be able to fly the Mozzie is another question, but those four all rock my boat even if I only voted for one of them. But that's the point I think. People may sit down an select a top three for voting, but when it comes to the crunch, the winning design may still be on the majority of longer wish lists. I look at the Kyosho FW 190 every time I walk into my local... But it has a AUD350 price tag and for a 50 size ARF that's a bit rich. The AUD450 price tag on the CMP Mozzie is out of my reach as well. I have never seen an ARF for a Rapide or a String Bag, but maybe I haven't been looking hard enough. A plan by Tony for any of those four would be welcome on my board. In the end, what Tony will give us, regardless of what the subject is, is a plan that is very buildable. Sure there are many plans out there for all of the (current) top five, but could a relatively inexperienced builder pick one up and say, yeah, I'll give that a go. Whatever Tony and the team settle on (and they will go for mass appeal, let's be honest) the design will surely be one that can be quickly and easily built by one and all. So if even the Westland Wyvern makes a late run and gets up for a photo finish, you can garantee that it will create some interest. Cheers, Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Coleman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Posted by Danny Fenton on 07/01/2011 09:56:50: In case anybody was curious about a taildragger 150 Aerobat I helped in the conversion of G-AXRT to taildragger layout in the 70's and is the one on my build list...... Cheers Danny I had an intorductory flying lesson in one of those. I was violently ill! Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Hi Hugh, I fear that the air sickness was not as a result of the type of aircraft Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi g Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Posted by Clive Kerr on 07/01/2011 21:47:57: Ref. last line of previous : True, and we will see as many built as we do Aston Martins... Yes maybe clive but they will be built , possibly with care and pride. by a number of people yet the model will not become another run of the mill model. Why ? because its unique.Designed by an expert . The idea of pick a plane is ,unless i have it wrong , is for general modelling people to pick the popular plane. be it a simple design or tricky design. The only possible problem encountered was or is the amount and diversity of aircraft that can be chosen. If this was narrowed down from year to year then we would all possibly get what we wish but then would we end up with a choice like we have this year. All the aircraft put forward have there own merits as to why they are good and an open mind to other peoples choices is always a great thing. running down multi engined or warbirds or bipes because one wants a specific type of aircraft isnt really very open minded. Maybe if a person gives something a try thats out of there comfort zone they will become a better pilot, builder .even if at first they dont achieve there goal , im sure the challenge will see them get more ambitous with there designs... After all thats how we have ended up with the models and radios of today. Otherwise we would still be flying single channel floaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Coleman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Posted by Danny Fenton on 07/01/2011 23:27:48: Hi Hugh, I fear that the air sickness was not as a result of the type of aircraft Cheers Danny No, it was not. It was a result of the instructor showing off. My body does not respond well to anything over 2G. Later, my wife gave me an aerobatic joy flight in a Tiger Moth for my birthday... I really was sick after that, although I tried very hard to enjoy it. Cheers, Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Coleman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Why ? because its unique.Designed by an expert . There are many subjects I would love to model, if only I could find a plan (and the time). Indeed, I have even started work on my own plans for one or two that are not out there in the market. I would not even contemplate trying to design the subjects that are being short listed. I think the point is that Tony does all the hard work for us and we reap the benifits. In that light, we should all be greatful that this sort of thing happens at all. Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Posted by Hugh Coleman on 07/01/2011 23:49:38: Posted by Danny Fenton on 07/01/2011 23:27:48: Hi Hugh, I fear that the air sickness was not as a result of the type of aircraft Cheers Danny No, it was not. It was a result of the instructor showing off. My body does not respond well to anything over 2G. Later, my wife gave me an aerobatic joy flight in a Tiger Moth for my birthday... I really was sick after that, although I tried very hard to enjoy it. Cheers, Hugh Now you have me mildly concerned, I do not respond well to negative "G" much to my (pilot) fathers amusement. I have a voucher for an aerobatic flight in a Chipmunk which I was planning on using in the Spring..... better take a bag Anyway to bring this back on topic we mustn't forget the designers who do plans for us all the time, the likes of Lindsay, Tim, Peter et al Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi g Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Posted by Danny Fenton on 08/01/2011 00:13:19: Anyway to bring this back on topic we mustn't forget the designers who do plans for us all the time, the likes of Lindsay, Tim, Peter et al Good point danny . and the excellent subjects they bring to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Kerr Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 It looks like the Mosquito has got it then : I wonder how many I will see in my lifetime ? I don't agree it is the best type for a design competition , a special feature, yes, but as this is the democratic will of you all.....so be it. I just hope Tony Nijhuis enjoys repeats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi g Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 who has said the mosquito has it. it may be a rapide or swordfish . maybe a fw190 or a vulcan. its not a design competion either its a popular choice clive. And i believe it to be a special feature.Edited By kiwi g on 08/01/2011 00:39:05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Richardson Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Clive if you "live long and prosper" I am sure you will see many Mosquito's at various clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W-O Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I don't understand the preoccupation with getting out of comfort zones and challenges. I don't want an Aston Martin because it doesn't fit my lifestyle, I have a rather uninspiring Zafira, because it can fit the kids, pushchair and shopping in. It also happens to be pretty good for carrying models (RC ones) RC flying is my hobby, for relaxation, I don't need to feel compelled to change what I want to do to get out of a comfort zone or for a challenge, if I choose to take up a challenge, it will be because I personally want to, not because of the suggestion that I am less of a modeller if I don't. Leave the comfort zone extraction, challenges and pressure to the cricket teams etc. Like most people in the UK, my life is fairly full (I say UK only because having lived in other parts of the world, life in the UK is very "busy"), and I am unlikely to use what time I have to build a model for any other reason than that I like it and want to build and fly it. It would have to suit my flying site, sites are very limited for lots of reasons, suit my flying skills, or the skills I can acquire in a reasonably short time, it would have to suit my budget, my building space, my family life etc. etc. So the planes I would build are not likely to be my dream planes, or anything specialist. I think those are only likely to be built by a very few modellers who are fortunate enough to be able to spend a lot of time and resources on their hobby. I can understand how WW2 planes have the public wow factor, mainly because of films and media coverage, and the public always look at the models with a certain special attraction that they don't have for other models, but what other people think of my model is not really of much interest to me, what matters to me is the enjoyment and relaxation etc I get from flying it, and how easy it is to pack it in the car and fly without worries. Whatever the final choice is, a few will be built, and a few who voted for it will build one. The clever part would be, not to push for a personal whim, but to find an aircraft that many would build, for whatever their particular reason for building would be. I accept that that is highly improbable, just saying it would be the ideal. I know my voted for planes would be the right ones to please everyone, and I am fairly certain that I will not be building the chosen plane (if the indicated direction continues). I have an idea that probably puts me amongst the eventual majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi g Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 You almost had me with that speech steve . on the whole I would agree except for this bit quote steve w-o I know my voted for planes would be the right ones to please everyone, and I am fairly certain that I will not be building the chosen plane (if the indicated direction continues). I have an idea that probably puts me amongst the eventual majority. Do you really believe that your choice of a ov10 Bronco ,dh-5 buffalo,and a GAF nomad suits everyone. This after you say The clever part would be, not to push for a personal whim, but to find an aircraft that many would build, for whatever their particular reason for building would be. You have to agree that you may have just told us that your pplane choice suits everyone. Its a popular vote . the top 5 planes get looked at and hopefully one gets chosen. Edited By kiwi g on 08/01/2011 08:33:02Edited By kiwi g on 08/01/2011 08:34:21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.A. Barry Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Kiwi, I have to agree with you, those planes picked by Steve W I certainly would not build, as for the likely succesor at 60/62", I'm afraid the plan will be left in the mag. A.A. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W-O Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Posted by kiwi g on 08/01/2011 08:31:27:You almost had me with that speech steve . on the whole I would agree except for this bit quote steve w-o I know my voted for planes would be the right ones to please everyone, and I am fairly certain that I will not be building the chosen plane (if the indicated direction continues). I have an idea that probably puts me amongst the eventual majority. Do you really believe that your choice of a ov10 Bronco ,dh-5 buffalo,and a GAF nomad suits everyone. This after you say The clever part would be, not to push for a personal whim, but to find an aircraft that many would build, for whatever their particular reason for building would be. You have to agree that you may have just told us that your pplane choice suits everyone. Its a popular vote . the top 5 planes get looked at and hopefully one gets chosen. Edited By kiwi g on 08/01/2011 08:33:02Edited By kiwi g on 08/01/2011 08:34:21 Sorry, that should have read my planes would not be the right ones, something happened during my copy and paste. I am well aware that my choices are not the right ones to suit all. Unfortunately, the antique software won't allow me to edit it Just hope people read this far down before commenting, the limitations on the board software are a real curse at times, I copy and paste now because I often have posts disappear, and the cursor acts in strange ways at times on the boards text box. Edited By Steve W-O on 08/01/2011 09:03:20Edited By Steve W-O on 08/01/2011 09:07:38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi g Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Steve W-O good points made.. Yes the computer can be a pain at times. quote steve but what other people think of my model is not really of much interest to me, what matters to me is the enjoyment and relaxation etc I get from flying it, and how easy it is to pack it in the car and fly without worries. So true steve . its all about having fun with our hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Kerr Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Ref Kiwi g, " its not a design competion either its a popular choice clive ". Well, it is a vote to pick the most popular aeroplane to be designed by Tony Nijhuis, which is competition to choose a design = design competition to me. That aside, from the vote thus far it will be designed , built, and flown by Tony Nijhuis, admired by many, built by few. Ahhh...Miles...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Fransens Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 What about the Lockheed P38 Lightning that would be a challenge!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Tony No one has voted for the P38 is the major challenge. Great subject though. Wing tips not to pointed, so moderate washout would probably do the trick. Yep i like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi g Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Clive Choose the model you'd like to see designed in 2011 is what it says. Choose the model Not design a model. I like your magistar ,most would possibly end up like that one sitting in the garage covered in dust ,now do you have anything constructive to add. P38, great . Erfolg its got 11 votes , thats 7 more than the magistar. Both are nice aircraft. The rapide or Fw190 look like theyre in with a good chance . it would be good to see a rapide , they are a aircraft that can be modelled in different schemes. alot of different countries had rapides also making them more multi national and a good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yeap, I'd like to see a Rapide to. But then that's hardly surprising as I'm a biplane nut and I voted for it! You're right Kiwi - almost limitless colour schemes and very pretty. Not an easy build but then not silly difficult either. Nice and stable to fly by all account as well. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Kerr Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Kiwi g , that Peanut Miles.18 is over 20 years old, and did a fair bit of flying, so I guess it can gather a little dust. By the way , spelling : ' Magister '. What you seems so pointless to me is the fact that so few of something complex will actually get built. Or is it a 'gee-whizz ' admiration society for the brilliant Tony Nijhuis to design and build yet another Mosquito. Is that the idea ? Just because I don't hold your opinion, does not mean I am not constructive, I was hoping the vote might take a new direction, but it has not. I can live with that. I'll look forward to the flight photos of the winning entry you build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Kerr Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Typo error in my last . Remove the word ' you ' after ' What ', 2nd para. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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