jeff2wings Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well against my better judgement I have decided to re-build a pile of matchsticks , er , I mean a Flair Legionaire that I got of e-bay ( after its owner cart wheeled it on takeoff and broke all the spars on the right hand wing panels ), mostly for its wheels and cowling , but then I thought “it doesn’t look that bad , I can fix that “ after all I have done it before......................So here we go with Legionaire No 3 and while I’m at it I’ll make it into a Nieuport N27 as I will need to make a new tail and rudder anyway .So first of all strip down and repair/modify the fuselage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Cantwell Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 i LIKES good rebuild!!!!! a small amount of my models used to come from others throwaways, Edited By Alan 4 on 02/01/2012 19:39:29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Looks remarkably similar (but in much better condition) than my E-Flite Beaver...... I'm a great believer in not giving up on a model, so I'll be watching with interest! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yes , I’ve seen a few battered Beavers’ in my time as well Pete , mostly due to finger trouble. Anyway , the F1 former was removed an cleaned up and the fuselage side repaired along with the wing mounting struts , I also removed all the top decking in order to sheet in this part to make a hot air tunnel that exits at the cockpit . I then had to re-work the tail end as this was damaged when I tried to remove the covering from the tail plane that was so badly made with very soft wood that it fell to pieces ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 How is the rest of the construction Jeff and what is the idea for the hot air tunnel,a heater for the pilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 The wings are a mess ,will have to re-spar both R/H side , new tail and rudder needed , yes , heater for the pilot it's a bit nippy in that cockpit this time of year !! ( it's for engine cooling of course ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Next up is to add the stingers to the side and top , this was all done by “ eye” with a bit of trial and error and a straight edge to get the shape of the side formers ! once satisfied that it looked right the sheeting was added to the sides , I added some ¼ wood on the corners for extra gluing area where the side and top sheets join , I also added extra wood for the same reason for the top sheet.The top sheet was done in two pieces to make it easier to glue in place , plenty of pins and elastic bands for this ! Then just a case of a light sanding down of the joins in the sheeting and cut out the cockpit opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Well that’s the main repair/mods to the fuselage but before I go much further I need to decide on doing ether the N17 bis/N24 or N27 as I will have to reshape the wings/tail surfaces , what do you chaps think ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Cantwell Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 like the rebuild--i love seeing a wreck go back together, and for me, the top one is deffo differant, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Cantwell Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 like the rebuild--i love seeing a wreck go back together, and for me, the top one is deffo differant, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 These might be more of a challenge to paint !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Your wifes put a bit of weight on Jeff,,I like the third one down from the top with red wheels,thanks for your help yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 many years ago I built a Boddington Neiuport from a pull out plan and opted for Italian colours, I still think they make for a natty scheme Something like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Thanks for the link Bob , it was as a result of looking through my old back issues for something else that I came across the July 1976 RCM&E with DB’s N24 on the cover that inspired me to do the conversion of the legonaire , however I have decided to do the later N27 as I like doing the laminated outlines on the curved surfaces . Steve , better hope Jan never gets sight of that post !! LOL !Edited By jeff2wings on 09/01/2012 23:32:26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Green Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Posted by Bob Cotsford on 09/01/2012 12:33:58: many years ago I built a Boddington Neiuport from a pull out plan and opted for Italian colours, I still think they make for a natty scheme Something like Is that plan still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 sure is - here! It was published as part of a dog-fight double with the plan for a D7.Mine had a an OS19 and later a Taijet 25 for power and was quite a nice model from what I remember. The wrapped ply cowl and the U/C live on having been used to replace the plastic cowl and rigid wire U/C on my Veron 1 1/2 Strutter, and I've still got the wings and some fuselage bits in a cupboard upstairs.One day... the other part of the double act - D7 Edited By Bob Cotsford on 14/01/2012 11:10:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Green Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Posted by Bob Cotsford on 14/01/2012 11:08:08: sure is - here! It was published as part of a dog-fight double with the plan for a D7. Mine had a an OS19 and later a Taijet 25 for power and was quite a nice model from what I remember. The wrapped ply cowl and the U/C live on having been used to replace the plastic cowl and rigid wire U/C on my Veron 1 1/2 Strutter, and I've still got the wings and some fuselage bits in a cupboard upstairs. One day... the other part of the double act - D7 Edited By Bob Cotsford on 14/01/2012 11:10:07 Thanks Bob. I remember it as a free plan back in the 70's and I always wanted to build it. I kept it the plans for years but lost them when I discovered girls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Having decided on the N 27 I need to make the distinctive tail and rudder , to do this I’ve used the laminated outline as it’s the strongest and lightest method of making curved shapes .First , make a former from card, wood ,pins or as I did mdf, then soak the wood in water then wrap round the former, hold in place with pins ,elastic bands or tape and leave to dry.Then remove and glue with sandable wood glue and replace on the former , I used pins for this bit as I needed to tweak the outline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 All clever stuff Jeff ,coming along very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 The rudder is now finished apart from final sanding down , the fin will be cut from solid sheet as it’s fairly small and will give that large rudder something to hang onto , the tail plane is complete and elevators started , wings soon ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Green Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Nice job. Can't wait to see the finished model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu knowles Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think that one of the few weak points of the Scout designs is that the centre sections are sheeted and very rigid, whereas the outer wings are open structures with quarter square spars. In a cartwheel, they all break the spars, usually adjacent to the centre section . I have a Baronette which tipped onto the wingtip and did the spars in all three wings. Might be worth thinking about quarter square spruce or extra sub spars to taper the stress out. - just a thought stu k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Stu, you are right on the money about the abrupt end to the centre section sheet. My Baronette tends to break the built up trailing edge rather than the spars though, especially on the middle wing for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jeff2wings Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hummm , funny you should mention that ,but to be fair , this one was made from a “Mk 2 “ kit and the wood was very soft throughout the model , my first Legionnaire was made in 1994 and I have never broken the spars even when it nosed in from 50 ft after its tail was removed by a H9 Fokker D7 in mock combat , I will make some mods though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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