bert baker Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Bruce Collinson said: Aeromodelling philately, almost. BTC Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 I’ve acquired one of these, finished but never flown example. I’m starting to think I’m the fourth owner, and the finisher, second owner, was not the builder of the airframe, and had far less experience. I’m doing OK, but, last leg, wings and struts. The issues are minor, except the ( I think) interplane struts. Dog rough, poorly made, no logic to them. Don’t fit. No trust in them. Has anyone got, can supply, a set of dimensioned drawings so I can have some numbers to go from, to see if these are the problem, can fabricate new. To be clear, these are the outboard struts on the wings, not the cabane struts near the cockpit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted May 7, 2023 Author Share Posted May 7, 2023 To be honest, I used M3 threaded rod with clevises. These clip onto simple brackets top and bottom. They never come out and the wing remains intact. Also they’re easy to adjust. They are shrouded in K&S streamline tubing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McIntosh Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Depends on what the builder put inside the wings as fixing points. I screwed bent brass plates to mine, one end has mini SLEC ball links and the other kwik links, coupled with 2mm rods inside litho aerofoil tubes. Not great as the tubes can rotate and there is a gap top and bottom but it is easy to de rig. Distance between the wings is about 13", same as at the cabane strut end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Here is one of mine. They are the same concept, but different lengths. Is this to plan, or invention. The cross pieces are wire with a soldered anchor wire to stop forward / back movement. Martin, one step forward, the cabane struts define rigging angles. My problem, these struts just don’t fit. The wings don’t seem a problem, but are not parallel spanwise, no big deal, the struts are there to sort this out. BTW, one thing freaking me, the red, designates the starboard wing strut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Don Fry said: I’ve acquired one of these, finished but never flown example. I’m starting to think I’m the fourth owner, and the finisher, second owner, was not the builder of the airframe, and had far less experience. I’m doing OK, but, last leg, wings and struts. The issues are minor, except the ( I think) interplane struts. Dog rough, poorly made, no logic to them. Don’t fit. No trust in them. Has anyone got, can supply, a set of dimensioned drawings so I can have some numbers to go from, to see if these are the problem, can fabricate new. To be clear, these are the outboard struts on the wings, not the cabane struts near the cockpit. Don, will the plans at OZ not be of help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Manish Chandrayan said: Don, will the plans at OZ not be of help? Is this plan on outerzone? Going back to my problem, the struts are not the same length. Edited May 7, 2023 by Don Fry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted May 7, 2023 Author Share Posted May 7, 2023 https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=11996 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Thank you Manish, Cymaz, searching under Precident Stampe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 Don, just be aware that the blurb associated with the plan listing on OZ mentions that there were/are two versions of the Precedent Stampe plan and the one available for download is the older version. I am not aware of what exactly are the differences between the two, but some one on the forum may perhaps be able to advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I think I have a later version, metric bolts, and a glass cowl. I will give it a rest for now as the download won’t open. Update, got it to open, answers my question, make up in situ, not on the plan. So I will make a jig to hold wings where I want them, and make new. Just a question of negotiating with the missus for one end of the dining table, as the workshop is too small. “ mon chérie, mon amour, une petit favour” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 The easy way to distinguish between the old kit versus the new kit is the top wing retainer bolt hole location Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 On 07/05/2023 at 21:16, cymaz said: https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=11996 That looks to be the older plan before the newer CNC cut kit, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 To the best of my knowledge the kit was only supplied as part wood frame and ply with vacuum formed front glass fibre cowls of various looks are available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 As Martin and Cymaz has said your on your own to a certain degree You need to be careful with going exact off plan as I’d a strut is leaning over the drawn length may be shorter than the desired actual length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 I made these to aid setting up biplanes obviously there’s four of them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Hope the following helps you out as you can see there all different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Soz but that’s all I have to hand at the moment 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 On 07/05/2023 at 19:15, Don Fry said:one thing freaking me, the red, designates the starboard wing strut. When I did my RYA day skipper course the way to remember side and colour was, The drunken sailor left the red port wine behind so port is red in colour and the left hand side , that’s all well and good for me but others have different ideas On 07/05/2023 at 19:15, Don Fry said:one thing freaking me, the red, designates the starboard wing strut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, bert baker said: I made these to aid setting up biplanes obviously there’s four of them 4 so it's a quadriplane ?.🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: 4 so it's a quadriplane ?.🤪 🤷♀️ I wasn’t allowed a scooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 The variation will be determined how the plane is built The amount of incidence may vary as to what and where packers are place during the glue drying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 An old one I remember from my RYA training, The red port wine goes down my throat. (Throat rope is the mainsail hoist on a lugger, nowadays still the location of the mainsail hoist on a Bermudan rigged yacht). Cheers Bert, I like the sliders to fix the distance. I know where I’m going now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert baker Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Don Fry said:I like the sliders to fix the distance. I know where I’m going now. Down the pub by any chance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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