john stones 1 - Moderator Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Only done slope soaring once and that was a long time ago ( I had one of the Foss models) I want to build my own from a plan and I'd like a traditional glider look, aileron wing. The only local slope we have is not that spectacular so i'll need one that can deal with not a lot of lift, but will ballast if I get lucky, about 72 inch I'm thinking, any recommendations. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 How about the Phase 5? Plan available from Chris Foss http://www.chrisfoss.co.uk/#/constructional-plans/4538948935 Or a good selection of Stan Yeo plans here - you can open pdfs of a fair few of them, which is useful when deciding whether you fancy building them or not http://www.phoenixmp.com/acatalog/Stan_s_Models.html Edited By IanN on 10/02/2016 20:39:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgwlm Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Lots of plans on outer zone, should find one or more to interest you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bran Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Can you legally use motor assist or is it strictly no power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 I have a P2000 Dave, I fancy something that'll go a bit but will scratch around in low lift/winds and I want to build it myself, looked at plenty of plans but they're all the bees knees, so asked for advice. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I built the 87" span version of this in the 1980's. Moded it to a 3 piece wing with 2 FD16 servos in the centre section with my own version of mechanical mixing. The flaperons of the outer sections linked together with the inners with pins & tube. It took a fair bit of building & I had intended to build a set of 72" wings but never got around tuit. The time & effort spent proved well worth it. It had a very wide speed range & good aerobatic performance. Although it wasn't snappy in rolls I was happy with it's aerobatic performance, it was slippery when required but also very good at using the lightest of thermals. I flew it for 5 or 6 years before selling it - something I came to regret. Most of the build time was taken up with the servos placement, flaperon mixers & outer wing section linkages. With modern gear 2 or possibly 4 wing servos it would be easier & much quicker to build now. It would be simple to mod to a 2 piece wing for transport purposes. If I was building it today I'd go for a 2 piece 72" wing version, as much for the change as anything (I rarely build the same model again). Another excellent choice, & much simpler build, would be the 2M Algebra, built from this plan & moded for ailerons. I've never built or owned one but have flown a couple of other peoples both with & without ailerons. Also watched Sean Bannister, during a modeller's holiday week at Primrose valley, putting the rudder/elevator only version through an aerobatic performance that made me wonder if ailerons were really necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Some interesting ones in there, Thanks lads John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 Any more recommendations out there ? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Williams Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 There's the Alex Whitaker Cliffwhacker that was a free plan in the mag. Bit smaller though - 60 inch I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Have a look at Hobby stores' plans i.e. Omega (RC 1197 ) or Skybird (RM 198) and Kema 90 (RM 379) some thing off-beat ? try RA 300 (RM261 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ramsden Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 An old thread I know but ... A Soarcerer was my first many years ago. Still a brilliant design. Plan costs £14.50 from Sarik https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/rm47-sorcerer/ Or you can download it for free from Outerzone! https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=8762 Edited By David Ramsden on 24/12/2020 01:10:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 There is a build thread on this forum here and a video here. Edited By Piers Bowlan on 24/12/2020 09:06:54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Another vote for an aileron Soarcerer John, built lightly it will fly on a breath yet is fully aerobatic and is great fun to fly. Most dont bother with the rudder, you can have a blast with 2 channels whilst saving a bit of weight. Daves one-sided fus construction method didnt work well for me, mine were all built conventionally - side, formers, side, pull it in, sheet... but others have said its a good method, each to his own. Good choice. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Welford Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Bob Flook's Piranha as suggested by PatMc. Easier build with separate wing servos instead of mechanical mixers. Phase 5 rather than Phase 6 - better light air performance. Stan Yeo designs. (PheonixMP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 I ended up with a Super Kema 69 plan, and a Gigolo plan plus ready to fly model from a bring n buy £15. Not made it to a slope yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 We had what I think is a Dynaflte Piece O'Cake. Although the original design had an 049 engine on the nose, the one we had, bought secondhand from a model shop, was a pure glider. It was very light and ideal for marginal sites. Hankley Common, where we flew, was probably no more than 30ft top to bottom on the usual slope. The 72" span wing was tapered and quite light at the tips so it could turn tightly when the stronger lift was found. Don't bother with the undercarriage, a plain skid is fine. The plan is on Outerzone: Dynaflite Piece O'Cake The Carl Goldberg Gentle Lady is an iconic first soarer in the States. It is slightly larger at 78" span and is also on Outerzone: Carl Goldberg Gentle Lady Edited By Robin Colbourne on 24/12/2020 13:09:26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 John Stones 1, I just re-read your original post and realised I had missed 'aileron wing' in the requirements. One of the wooden versions of a VTPR (Vol tres pres du relief) or 'flying very close to the ground' glider would meet the requirements. The third group in this list are the wooden ones: List of VTPR gliders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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