Geoff S Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 There's another aspect to this that may affect us directly - could Barkston be one of the airfields that become home to either Red Arrows or the Tucanos from Lynton-on-Ouse? That might make the Nationals as we know them a thing of the past. Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Our local news report was that the Tucanos were about due to be pensioned off & replaced. And that the fast jet training they carried out would transferred to RAF Valley on Anglesey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich too Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by john stones 1 on 24/07/2018 16:35:33: Posted by Rich too on 24/07/2018 14:53:32: Posted by Manish Chandrayan on 24/07/2018 12:20:54: Posted by Rich too on 24/07/2018 12:08:31: It's nothing new is it? And remains same the world over This forum is turning into just a load of old men moaning about everything It's a great way to attract new (young)blood to the site.. What you mean turning into ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich too Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by Cuban8 on 24/07/2018 15:57:38: Posted by Rich too on 24/07/2018 14:53:32: Posted by Manish Chandrayan on 24/07/2018 12:20:54: Posted by Rich too on 24/07/2018 12:08:31: It's nothing new is it? And remains same the world over This forum is turning into just a load of old men moaning about everything It's a great way to attract new (young)blood to the site.. To label us as moaning old men is, with respect, unfair. The subject of Scampton being sold is of common interest to likeminded individuals and is worthy of discussion/debate within the Ts&Cs of the site rules. Since when has discussion of a very important issue simply been 'moaning'. As for the 'new blood' IMHO many youngsters need a little enlightenment as to what's going on around them in the world or indeed right under their noses here in 'blighty'. Perhaps they could avail themselves of their concerns and join in the debate? Oh, I’m not just referring to this thread! And you clearly do not know youngsters - they’re not interested in this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 No airforce = no airfields needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmBuff Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 So what operational requirement is RAF Scampton meeting? The Vulcan's have long gone and now it is home to a mobile metreological unit, an air control centre and the Red Arrows. Does seem a bit excessive to keep a 10,000 foot runway, massive airbase for these activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Cracknell Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Possibility the Reds would be co located at either Leeming or Valley where Hawk servicing facilities are available. Not much of a saving if they have an airfield and servicing to themselves - just another Scampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmBuff Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by Robert Cracknell on 25/07/2018 10:52:17: Possibility the Reds would be co located at either Leeming or Valley where Hawk servicing facilities are available. Not much of a saving if they have an airfield and servicing to themselves - just another Scampton. Agreed. They did spend five years based as Cranwell in the 1990s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Off course the MoD might decide that the times up for the Red Arrows as they add no value to the national defence force for the additional costs they incur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Can't see it yet Pat. Massively well known international prestige act. Also. If you want to attract youngsters in to the hobby, you need the Red Arrows. This fact confirmed by a 7yr old friend of my eldest son, who cheerfully told me the best bit about the local airfield's fly-in day (of last year) was seeing the jet powered Red 2 display (whilst several LMA guys where flying very fast turbine models). Robbie Skipton's massive 3D Pitts routine also got the thumbs up, it was large, loud, had a sharks face (you can't beat a shark face on the front), smoke came out the back, and it did impressive stunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by Nigel R on 25/07/2018 11:35:28: Can't see it yet Pat. Massively well known international prestige act. So what's in it for the defence minister when he's told to reduce his budget ? IMO they'll only continue to exist if sponsorship from the defence industry is secured. That will depend on them using aircraft + technology that the industry can sell on the international market. In short the Red Arrows will be a marketing tool with fall back national defence commitments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Hawk still in production, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetenor Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Should be interesting as I live not too far from Anglesey so might get to see some activity over our house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Cracknell Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The Hawk is still in production as two seat trainer and single seat light fighter. Many exports to it's credit. See **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McIntosh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Closing Scampton would be a tragedy for British aviation history, it being probably the most famous bomber station in the world. What will they do to Gibson`s office, Nigger`s grave, the runway from which the most celebrated raid took off, just put a fence round them to keep the future no doubt social housing inhabitants away? It is more worthy of being preserved as a national treasure than many other places I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Geoff Peacock Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Posted by onetenor on 25/07/2018 13:07:27: Should be interesting as I live not too far from Anglesey so might get to see some activity over our house. The Tucano trainers from the recently announced closure of RAF Linton on Ouse are apparently heading straight for you, according to BBC's Look North this week. Not sure about the almost 200 local jobs which will be lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 last one out -turn out the lights. What I find upsetting is this was the last bit of the UK the brave young lads left to defend-- IE the dam busters raid ---and in return they'll be left no doubt with a bit of stone as a memorial/thanks.....the place should be kept forever in their memory...never mind about saving money and selling it off to the highest bidder... respect... ken anderson...ne..1..... national pride dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Irrespective of the historical significance of Scampton the powers that be fail to see an airfield as part of our infrastructure, a valuable resource that may be of benefit in future times, even if it is surplus to requirements now. As an anology, under the Beeching railway cuts of the 1960's it was deemed uneconomic to keep thousands of miles of the rail network. Steam trains were expensive to run and maintain and each one had a driver, fireman (stoker), guard and conductor, so no one could have foreseen the advent of autonomous trains, like the Docklands Light Railway, for instance. Perhaps one day Scamption could become an Amazon regional drone distribution port, or how about a space port? Laugh not, space ports were mentioned in one of the UK consultation documents I read recently. It might one day even be needed as a air base for our future unmanned fighter squadrons! We cannot predict the future for sure, building a new airport is an expensive business, think, £14B just for a new runway at LHR (and the rest!). Seen in this light, a few million £s selling off the land to a developer is small fry and scant amount to flogging the family silver. It's not good value for money for the tax payer and the plan lacks vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 If it's to be sold off, then for goodness sake find something worthwhile to do with the land rather than the quick bucks of unaffordable and unsustainable housing on a huge scale. Another subject for another time. Amazon drone port? Now, that's a great idea.....earmark it for that sole use in the form of a covenant..........sell it to Amazon for a quid with the proviso that they pay all the maintenance costs and allow public access for sport/civil aviation/aeromodelling in perpetuity, or until large scale drone deliveries commence and show a profit (I'm sure the legal types could could tie them up in knots as to what constitutes a commercial success and profit)..............guaranteed to keep the site green and pleasant for decades to come whilst the drone delivery fantasy exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lima Hotel Foxtrot Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Posted by john stones 1 on 24/07/2018 16:35:33: Posted by Rich too on 24/07/2018 14:53:32: Posted by Manish Chandrayan on 24/07/2018 12:20:54: Posted by Rich too on 24/07/2018 12:08:31: It's nothing new is it? And remains same the world over This forum is turning into just a load of old men moaning about everything It's a great way to attract new (young)blood to the site.. What you mean turning into ? I am amazed these posts haven't been deleted! 😁 Anyway, Scampton probably costs a lot to maintain and I guess it makes economic sense in the modern world to consolidate resources. Considering The Arrows are mostly a PR exercise to sell kit to dodgy regimes by flying the flag and we prob won't have manned aircraft of any stripe in 100 years, why keep it? Let a property developer pay for the upkeep on the listed buildings and stick some much needed housing on the rest of it. Set up a museum on site and regard it the same way that Culloden or Tolpuddle or Bosworth are remembered now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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