Andy Symons - BMFA Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Posted by Piers Bowlan on 17/12/2020 07:42:42: Yes, thank you from me too to Team Andy Symons et all at BMFA for their resolute work and not forgetting too the CAA who were receptive. I am sure it was very hard work for all concerned. Its team BMFA CEO to be honest. I'm primarily involved in getting the word out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Posted by MattyB on 16/12/2020 22:26:38: Posted by Gary Manuel on 16/12/2020 17:21:56: Matty. I think you may be looking for problems that don't exist. This authorisation is just that: an authorised alternative method of flying model aeroplanes, to CAP722. You don't even need to read CAP722 if you comply with this alternative method. This may change at the end of December 2021, but I'm sure that the BMFA etc will continue to protect our existing safe practices as best as they can. I hope you are right, but the BMFA’s own doc states that the exemption itself is granted within the Specific category within 722. I am sure this will be clarified by the BMFA in the webinar next week or here before that. Gary is correct, the ART16 Authorisation effectively disapplies all the elements of CAP722 and we are operating wholly to what is contained in the authorisation and not to CAP722. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just realised i didn't post the link to the webinar taking place on Monday evening at 7.30pm. To register visit **LINK** and you can submit any specific questions that we will try to answer in the webinar at **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Great outcome. Enormous thanks to Dave Phipps for taking the lead over so many years. I agree with Andy about Dave getting a medal! Maybe an OBE? After all, he has achieved a fantastic outcome for model flying in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 An updated Article 16 Authorisation for BMFA members was released yesterday - it seeems the CAA have now one down the route of granting individual authorisations to each national association. Full details in the BMFA article, and links below... BMFA Article 16 homepage Article 16 authorisation v2 Quick start guide Full detailed guidance on the new version Again I am surprised by the willingness of the CAA to delegate powers to the national associations, especially the granting of site permits for models >7.5-25kgs to be flown over 400ft on a regular basis. It's heartening, but I am sure our friends at Google, Amazon and the logistics companies will be watching carefully to see how many are put in place - they are bound to start exerting pressure if they feel their BVLOS delivery goals are being made harder, however pie in the sky we may think they are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 a bit of common sense at last.......i reckon our associations do a 1st class job of admin/running,which in turn has rubbed off on most of their members..... ken anderson...ne..1...common sense dept. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Not read it completely yet, surprised is maybe not the word I would use, No doubt we arrived here because of the work people have put in on our behalf, good news. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, john stones 1 Moderator said: Not read it completely yet, surprised is maybe not the word I would use, No doubt we arrived here because of the work people have put in on our behalf, good news. My comment was not a judgement on the BMFA; I am just surprised that the government are happy to let the CAA delegate these aspects to the national associations given the words of the Sec of State in recent times. As per the BMFA webinar where the CAA spoke it was very clear there were areas where the CAA have their hands tied by their masters and are not at liberty to negotiate with the BMFA or anyone else... Edited May 19, 2021 by MattyB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Just now, MattyB said: My comment was not a judgement on the BMFA; I am just surprised that the government are happy to let them delegate these aspects to the national associations given the words of the Sec of State in recent times. As per the BMFA webinar where the CAA spoke it was very clear there were areas where the CAA have their hands tied by their masters and are not at liberty to negotiate with the BMFA or anyone else... I know it wasn't Matty, but I'm not surprised the CAA have been left to handle it, pleased but not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i12fly Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Well done BMFA in particular. Don't forget that to remain lawful you must make the Declaration of understanding for article 16 on the BMFA website if relying on the Achievement Scheme to show competence Interesting that there now seems a distinct definition forming between model planes and drones. Section 7 of the Guide uses the phrase "The model aircraft is not a rotorcraft (multi-rotor) with more than two lift generation rotors or propellers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, i12fly said: ........ Interesting that there now seems a distinct definition forming between model planes and drones. Section 7 of the Guide uses the phrase "The model aircraft is not a rotorcraft (multi-rotor) with more than two lift generation rotors or propellers" I think that you have mis-read this @i12fly. The way I read it is that a "model aircraft" is defined by the way it is controlled by the pilot. A "rotorcraft" / "multi-rotor" / "drone" can also be a "model aircraft" if it is flown using only flight stabilisation and not automatic directional control. Edited May 19, 2021 by Gary Manuel Typo corrected 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lee Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 There are precedents for the CAA delegating responsibilities. EG the LAA grant 'permits to fly' for many different types of light aircraft and administer the National Private Pilots Licence. Likewise the BMAA for microlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinBrian Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just shows what goes on in the background by the BMFA (and other organisations) while we moan and groan about how our liberties are being eroded. Long live the BMFA (and other orgs) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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