martin collins 1 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Picked up a Fury at a bring & buy yesterday, well chuffed, at 60" span looks like it could be a Bryant one? Will probably go electric as i don`t do the glow stuff however if there was a petrol engine that would fit in i would definitely consider that, any thoughts? Wanted to post some pics but it all looks a bit complicated, can`t i just add one from my laptop, i don`t have a hosting site etc...............Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin collins 1 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Ok, sussed it, set up an album, here are a couple, the rest are in the album for those interested............Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Nice one Martin, that does indeed look like the Bryant one. Thanks for showing us it Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Hello to all, As I can foresee some regular 'glue drying' waiting time during my forthcoming winter build, I thought of preparing some small bits for the Fury in between. My attention got attracted by the the cowling and front panels 'quick fasteners' (nowadays Dzus fasteners). The DB plan isn't accurate at all with them as they are simply represented by a 'flat headed' screw being even to small. I tried to estimate the 'washer' outer diameter and the 'screw' diameter by comparing some pics I have available. The best I came up with is 6 to 8mm OD & 3 to 4mm ID for the washer. Does someone has some more accurate information, please? My idea is to make a master and have some PU casting. Or maybe even trying an 'acrylic plus medium' casting. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Hello to all, I first thought that everybody here had a fine weekend in Brighton... but now, Sint Nicolas being tomorrow, I guess all of you are out buying some toys for the kids... or even already preparing for the big Christmas splash. Please keep in mind that a 20" scale wooden prop will need some cash as well... But, no probs, my 'washers' will have to wait. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Hi Chris, I meant to reply ages ago and it slipped my mind sorry about that I did the Dzus fasteners, if that is what they are, using a double layer of alloy foil in my plotter, looks pretty good if you squint a bit Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mallam. Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Hi Danny, Compared to most in this thread, I have a lot to learn......! So I am keen to understand what sort of plotter you use (re your last post) and how you manage to get the 'panel' effect. Could you summarise? Thanks, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 No probs at all, Danny. I guess I only meant to be a little sarcastic, and to 'bump' the thread up a bit. I guess those were for your Hurricane build? Do you have any idea how much the Fury's ones could measure at a 1:6 scale? Thanks in advance Cheers & have a great Sint Nicolas tomorrow Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Hi Richard, I use quite an old plotter, a Robo Craft made by Graphtec. The newer version is the Silhouette Martyn and Andy have these. The alloy tape is layered to the required thickness, smaller than 1/6 one layer is enough, anything bigger then two layers. The plotter will cut the adhesive foil, though you have to play with the settings to ensure the foil is cut and not the backing My Hurricane panels were made by gently forming litho plate and then adhering them to the airframe. This is an option obviously for the Fury Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mallam. Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Thanks Danny. Do you have a preference for a foil manufacturer - like for instance Flite Metal or something more basic from Hobby King? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Hi Richard, I have used the Halfords foil but the width is a little limiting. I use air con stuff from Ebay tbh. Though the Flite metal etc are probably better And more expensive. If fuel is involved then perhaps go with the more established stuff? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Richard, if you decide to go the HK route, their iron-on 'Bright Silver' is looking more like 'chrome' than silver. I had to 'temper' it a bit with some wet Scotch Brite for my Ballerina fuselage. You can also find some cheap 'full chrome' adhesive with free shipping at AliExpress. Still no one having a constructive idea for the dimensions of the Fury's Dzus fasteners? ... Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hi Chris, I cannot tell you how big the fasteners are on the Fury but i can tell you how big they are on the Spitfire These dimensions are of a 50% cad file I have, so double the numbers and divide by 6 Can anybody confirm/deny that all DZus fasteners of that period were the same size, as i do not know the answer.... Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daithi O Buitigh Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Like all fasteners they would be a standard size (so that the Erks didn't have to carry round an assortment of different size screwdrivers to open them) In the case of the Spit, they would be 1/2 inch (the RAF hadn't gone metric back then) Edited By Daithi O Buitigh on 07/12/2017 01:19:58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 That's great, Danny. Thank you. So, that's giving us an ID of 2,1mm and a OD of 5,7mm at 1:6 scale. Or ID = 5/64in and OD = 7/32in in pre-war figures. That's even a bit smaller than I had anticipated. And at the end, if the scale comp judges are carrying micrometers, we could always justify the use of Spitfire fasteners during the last upgrade of our model... But now I just need to make about sixty of them ! Thanks again Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I am not sure I would go with a chrome finish? polished alloy looks different and without the panel lines will just look like a film covering, just my opinion Who fancies a go at the staining Alclad clear yellow and blue should do it Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I'm pretty convinced you'll show the Classroom how to handle the staining in due time, Danny... Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose L. G. Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Good morning. Great info about the fasteners. Received the Wood I ordered (I will need more of a few sizes...) Also have the 5" Willians Bross wheels. One Question. The flying wires are round or flat? I have some flat rigging wires from Mick Rives. José Luis. P.S.: I have a book over planes in the Civil Spanish war. There are a history about the three planes that arrived to Spain and the fouth that was built with the parts of the deceased 3. It contains drawings at 1772 scale. Not as detailed as the Westburg. I´ve scaned them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hi Jose, I bought some fine piano wire for the rigging, I would be interested in the Mick Reeves flat wires and ends. I thought his stuff was for slightly larger models? have you some dimensions?? Just for you Chris..... Cheers Danny Edited By Danny Fenton on 07/12/2017 12:31:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Danny, Re Mick's flat wires here's the info from Mick's website "Hard Stainless rigging wire. Does not get kinked in use, and is very strong. 1/16" x 0.015", £4.50 3/32" x 0.020", £4.50 1/8" x 0.030 £6.00. These are scale size and thickness, flat with rounded edges. Difficult to tell from the scale oval section. - 5 metre rolls" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Thanks Manish, So if I am understanding that right 1/16 x 1/64, that doesn't seem too bad. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mallam. Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Danny / Chris, Many thanks for info re aluminium foil / plotters etc. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Yes Danny that's right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 You're mostly welcome, Richard. Danny, I 'got the message' for the steel staining. In fact, I just need to buy an airbrush and recluse myself in La Grotte during say at least a few months... Regarding, the Fury's rigging wires aren't those just 'round' instead of having an 'ovoïd' shape? Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hi Chris, on the plan they are just round, and i might go that way, but the Mick Reeves Stainless sectioned ones do look nice and not that expensive. Even if it is just for the experience I might give them a go For stainless we will need flux and a suitable blowlamp/torch. For piano wire normal solder will do. Plenty of time to muse on that one. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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