Pitts bipe.

[Arron Davison]

Hi people, just a quickie i would like to by a pits biplane do they do a kit or can some of you recomend the best manufacturer to bbuy it from. i dont want the giant one but uo to 80" or less oh yeah and for ic please cheers for your time.

[Martin Harris - Moderator]

An 80" Pitts is approaching giant status - that's well over 1/3 scale and a lot of model.

 

What's your experience level?  To answer your question we'd really need to know and with respect, the tone of your enquiry doesn't sound like someone with a great deal.

[Myron Beaumont]

Martin--- Exactly

Pits is where you park your car or aeroplane or where you dig for coal  .Pitts is the name of the aeroplane  80 " span --That is a large motor or engine don't you think for a newbie ?

Edited By Myron Beaumont on 04/11/2010 17:41:54

Edited By Myron Beaumont on 04/11/2010 17:46:11

[Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator]

Hi Arron,

 

I have a Kyosho Pitts Special - quite small, about 50" span.

 

Plus Points:

1. Excellent quality kit - goes together really well.

2. Very solid build - it will take a lot of knocks.

3. Small enough to go into the back of a car fully rigged - important that, as rigging a biplane everytime you arrive at the patch very quickly looses its appeal!

4. VERY aerobatic and agile - It will do anything - from IMAC style to F3A and knife edges etc.

5. She looks absolutely gorgous in the air! A real beauty.

 

Negative Points:

1. Its not easy to fly - its has no natural stability whatsoever - you have to fly it 100% of the time.

2. Its quite fast - and you need to be right with it because of negative point number 1

3. Landing is fun if you know exactly how to handle it - but if you have limited experience it would be a nightmare. Basically you have to fly it in under power (about 1/4 throttle) and you have to have the bottle to let it come in what will seem very fast because once you flair and cut the power she's going to slow down like she's run into a vat of treacle! And you don't want the problem outlined in the next point below!

4. The stall is viscous - don't go there without lots of height.

5. The torque reaction on take off is very powerful because she's so short and stubby. A clubmate of mine had one identical to mine and he lost it when she torque swung on take off and he cartwheeled it.

6. The kit is not cheap - but then you get what you pay for and there is a lot of high quality wood in this one.

 

So, a really fun challenging model. If you have the experience I can heartly recommend it - it will fly really well on 56 four stroke - but for max fun use a 70. But as Martin says - its not for the faint hearted or inexperienced!

 

BEB

[Garry Pollard]

Hi Arron

Best piece of advise is to activate your "profile" giving a brief description of your experiance. Then we can advise you!!!!. If you have limited or no flying experiance DO NOT try a Pitts or it will all end in tears

Garry

[Dusty]

Try a Pitts Python as its more sedate than the original Pitts.....

[Arron Davison]

OK then gents maybe my sights are to high i have a little less than a year flying time trying to run before i can walk, i guess we are all a little guilty of that now and again.. sorry for my spelling not so good at writing.. What sort of biplane should i look at then?

[David Ashby - Moderator]

As Myron says, an 80" bipe is a lot of model Arron, you'll be surprised. You sure you want one that big? There are some nice smaller bipes out there.

Leccy or i.c. ?

 

E-flite's Pitts S-12 is a great flyer, leccy of course. Does it have to be a Pitts? What about Seagull's Christen Eagle, superb scheme although I don't know how well they fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited By David Ashby - RCME Administrator on 05/11/2010 05:56:30

[Arron Davison]

No it doesn't have to be a Pitts what about a panic? I'm open for helpful input I have to start somewhere I just love biplanes. Thanks for your help David.

[Garry Pollard]

Try a Tiger Moth

Garry

[Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator]

Well, very much a man after my own heart I love bipes as well.

 

Tiger Moth - yeap I got one of those too! A Green RC one sold by J.Perkins. Nice model goes together very nicely. Flies OK but there one big issue you need to use lots of co-ordinated rudder in the turns or she just will not "come round"! Mine took a bit of a bash on Sunday last - looks like I had a radio signal loss? But the model is a good 'un. Again 50" span or so and again it fits in the back of the car. Perkins do a large version as well but if you're new to bipes I'd suggest the smaller one for now.

 

Never had a Panic - but they certainly seem to fly well. Because they're fun-fly/3D'ish they fly slowly very well. Could be a good choice.

 

IF you are prepared to build how about a WOTs WOT?

 

BEB

[Ultymate]

An 80" Pitts whether it's an S2 a Pitts 12 or a Python will require a 100-120cc engine without checking against full size documentation it would be around 35% scale. Personally as my forum name suggests I prefer an Ultimate

Edited By Ultymate on 05/11/2010 22:16:05

[Andy Green]

I saw this company at an LMA event, and they tell me that a kit for their Pitts will be available in time for christmas.

 

This is my treat for me.

 

A

[Martin Harris - Moderator]

Posted by Ultymate on 05/11/2010 22:11:10:
Personally as my forum name suggests I prefer an Ultimate

Edited By Ultymate on 05/11/2010 22:16:05

 I've always marvelled at the Ultimate. 

 

 

 How can such an ugly corruption of the beautiful Pitts Special fly so well?

 

 But as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and each to his own.

[Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator]

Yeah, its funny isn't it. I love the Pitts Special - and I sometimes just fly mine in simple circuits for a few minutes so I can just enjoy the look of it in the air. But I don't really like the Ultimate - despite it being so similar. For me there's something about the fin and rudder on the Ultimate that just doesn't look "right"! And the wings seem to lack the grace of the Pitts.

 

But as Martin says beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. Someone once looked at my Pitts and called it a "pug nosed stubby little brute"!(well he didn't quite say that, but I'm not allowed on here to repeat what he actually said!)  

 

Still it would be a boring world if we all liked the same things.

 

BEB

[Ultymate]

I once had a small scaled Pitts S2 moons ago and it flew like a dog, it got aileron reversal on take off and would tip stall at the drop of a hat. Since then I've built several different scale of Ultimates from foam shocky up to my 44% that's in the above photo and all without exception have flown impeccably and without vice. The original 10-100 was as Martin points out a Pitts derivative consisting of replacement wing kit a new cowl and tailfeather modifications. It is rumoured that modeller Bob Godfrey built a model 33% Ultimate first to assist Gordon Price with the development of the full size  

                        I think it's the Ultimates wings that make it fly so well and the large tailfeathers give it amazing rudder authority " viva la difference" as BEB said beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, I just adore the Ultimate for it's flying qualities and leave you ugly worshippers in the "Pitts" Finally  here's a photo of the full size that my Ultimate is modelled on

 

Edited By Ultymate on 06/11/2010 08:40:06