Martin Dance 1 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Thread opened to locked in one hour and ten minutes. Moderators are you being played with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Fast but no cigar! One thread lasted 28mins 48 secs yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 There's an open thread on RCMF about the Tr*plet situation, if you need somewhere to ask questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 It's hard to understand such heavy-handed moderation of a thread that was only discussing moderation, but them's who pays the bills have the right to run the shop however they want. I don't neccessarily agree with the stringent moderation but you have a choice - live with it or look eleswhere. The description of the 'friendly' site is subject to certain definitions of the word 'friendly' . There is a site with a similar name to 'our' mag that is a bit more liberal, but people have gotten very upset there in the past... edit - Andy spelled out the other site for me! Edited By Bob Cotsford on 28/07/2017 10:40:34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Free speech is important. Free speech is imprtant ....to keep a lively website! Interesting to note that the surviving RC aero magazine is the one with a lively website- lets keep it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Don't see the problem myself, a post was put on explaining the reason for modding, and it keeps coming back up in various forms, cut em some slack eh, they do same for us often enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Don't agree. The thread was about censorship by moderators NOT Traplet. The name Traplet was only given as an example. The abrupt closure of the thread illustrates the point perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 John im sure im on thin ice here but - if you were one of the ones that had lost money then you would be looking for info on what is happening and for a public forum to decide to censor info does not seem right. look back at the horizon hobbies issues there was no censorship there (or the HK website carry on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Variations on a theme. leave the people be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 michael your right as the OP i did not mention traplet it was a general observation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Posted by og on 28/07/2017 11:14:24: John im sure im on thin ice here but - if you were one of the ones that had lost money then you would be looking for info on what is happening and for a public forum to decide to censor info does not seem right. look back at the horizon hobbies issues there was no censorship there (or the HK website carry on) I'm sorry for ALL involved OG, never saw info censored, just speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ramsay-Fraser Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 and I think I and others were trying to keep it that way. Naturally, everyone will be upset about the Traplet situation and I appreciate the concerns of those employed there. It's a situation I've been through twice and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But the point here is that the Traplet situation was merely being used as an example of over-moderation. A problem I've also had in the past on other, unrelated subjects. At present, I've been quoted the 'Code of Conduct' which, effectivly says whatever moderators decide goes. No room for debate, no room for public discussion. I'm not convinced that's a good policy to enforce so rigorously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Those are the terms we joined under, these folks pick toys up we throw out the pram on a regular basis, i'm good with what they do, might not always agree, but it's no biggie. Leave em be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Farrimond Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I agree with john stones 1 the mods have a hard job and do it well. I was a mod on a site not related to r/c for a number of years and we had set rules that we had to act on and guide lines that we could use our desecration on. A few times I had to upset people I had become very friendly with and sometimes it was something I agreed with but was against the rules. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 post deleted by og Edited By og on 28/07/2017 12:28:13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wright Stuff Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 God, these threads are just becoming a self-parody! I think Monty Python would sum up best: There. He said it again! Stop that. Stop it, will you stop that. Now look, no one is to moderate anyone until I blow this whistle. *Even*...and I want to make this absolutely clear...*even* if they *do* say "Traplet." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Posted by og on 28/07/2017 11:14:24: John im sure im on thin ice here but - if you were one of the ones that had lost money then you would be looking for info on what is happening and for a public forum to decide to censor info does not seem right. Regardless of whether you had mentioned Traplet in your opening post, og, it seems you may have an interest in airing the matter by your quote above. Whether you are a customer or just raising the issue on behalf of others, I do not know. Anyone employed by them or a customer having possibly lost money deserves our sympathy, of course. Until an official announcement is made, any comment must be considered as pure speculation and it has been decided that, as an extension of RCM&E (as this forum is), speculation could be considered unhelpful and inappropropriate. I'm also sure the bosses of RCM&E wish to be sensitive towards a competitor's situation. Let's wait and see what pans out, eh? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn44 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I'm not really concerned either way, but I do think that there was/is a thread "speculating" on future drone/quad regulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 i think ive just been hushed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Re the subject of 'over-moderation', which indeed surfaces from time to time, please be assured we will be discussing this when we're not quite so thin on the ground as at present and we'll try and clarify the level of modding with you. I would remind you again, that 'public' though this forum is, it is also a commercial forum and that can influence some of the decisions made by the moderators. This may not always be apparent to contributors By and large, given the difficulties of trying to keep everyone happy, I don't think we do too bad a job - but then, I'm biased, I suppose.... Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I'm not sure what was said that prompted the locking and removal of threads but clearly any company that appears to have ceased its operations is a bad thing. Obviously there are rival companies in such a competitive market and one would hope that commercial interests will and have not impeded the functioning of any public forum in any sector. As if commercial interests do play a part then many dozens of topics are off limits and should be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I think you guys do a fantastic job. People tend to forget this is a commercial forum tied to a publishing house and that limits what can be published. MHS have to ensure that posts do not damage the reputation of other suppliers or 3rd parties as they (not the forumites) are responsible for content. Martyn Edited By Martyn K on 28/07/2017 13:57:57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Jones Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just to add some balance here, despite me being one of the contributors on this morning's thread (and still of the opinion of excessive moderation here) I PM'd Pete this morning and to his credit he replied quickly and it was a very thought out, comprehensive and positive reply I have confidence that the topic will be discussed by the management team, here's hoping for a change. As an aside, I bet a friend this morning's thread would be killed by 9, I was only out by 14 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Dance 1 Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 My thread title was intentionally ambiguous as was my opening post. The second post answered the question, so arguably ending the thread. However many of us, contributors to the forum and the wider model building population are naturally concerned when one of the major players in the business stops trading especially one that appears to hold a large percentage of the plans and part kit asset. Equally I can see the sensitivity of the owners of this forum who are effectively the other businesses chief rival. Clearly seeming to gloat over a rivals misfortune is not a nice thing, after all, in these uncertain days in publishing you could be next. I have also been the 'victim' of moderation and put on the naughty step earlier this year when I suggested a post asking about models crashing into houses might just be a malicious posting. My final point is that what appears to be conspicuous moderation might give rise to a new sport of moderator baiting, it's a blood sport and ultimately there are no winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Posted by Martin Dance 1 on 28/07/2017 14:07:27: I have also been the 'victim' of moderation and put on the naughty step earlier this year when I suggested a post asking about models crashing into houses might just be a malicious posting. thats spooky martin im still on suspension for airing the same concerns on the same post (different username) its also why it promted me to post the original post "gagged" as i thought it was too harsh for what i said and perhaps the moderators are too hasty in general p.s. credit to mod pete for his handling of this whole episode Edited By og on 28/07/2017 14:25:47 Edited By og on 28/07/2017 14:41:49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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