Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Blimey.....does this mean we might see you at Greenacres this year Nige...... Tell you what....if either the Whizza or Tucano do win you should be judge & award the prize to the winner of the Mass Build.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Hawes Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Hi Steve, I will try my best to get to Greenacres in 2013. I almost made it this year but a number of circumstances foiled my plans If either design won and I can get to Greenacres, I'd be delighted to judge them and award a prize - both models have already had a good run but to see one of them "revived" would be wonderful! Nigel Hawes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Good to have you aboard Nigel. (and to see you at the Nats). I guess these were designed for brushed motors so there might be a slight design change to get a nice modern brushless in there? I think these designs have a lot of life in them yet Should be great to get a number in the air at the same time. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Hawes Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 You too, Chris. The Tucano was designed just on the brink of Brushless coming in so most were either powered by a geared brushed motor such as the ones from Fanfare using the MPJ reduction unit, or for AXI 2820/10 outrunner. I had Graham Cornford of Fellside Precision Cutting make a load of CNC-cut motor mounting formers for the AXI, and it seems that most modern outrunners and many brushless can motors also fit the cooling and bolt holes correctly. Sadly I don't think Graham does this anymore, but I'm sure there would be no problem in getting someone with a CNC router to produce them again. The Whizzza was always for brushless motors, and the CNC disc, of which I still have a few dozen left over from long-distant kit production, also fits most modern motors. So in this respect I don't think there would be much if anything required to bring either plan up to date, except the odd bit of beefing up here and there from lessons leanred during heavy landings! Nigel Hawes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 Hi Nigel, nice to hear from you! Thanks for the offer of support on the Whizzza and the Tucano if one of them do win the poll. Much appreciated. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Geezer Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Nice to hear from Nigel again, one of Nature's Gents. However I will be voting for the Pushy Cat, as I have built a Wizza and a Fizza as well as 3 of their ancestors, Nigel's P.R.A.T., the last P.R.A.T. still airworthy and going like smoke with a little outrunner screwed to the front. (I also flew it with an inrunner salvaged from a Funjet attached to the front with dowels and rubber bands, nice noise but insane!) So, a PushyCat gets my vote - if only to give my little Funjet inrunner something to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Looks like the Tucano is the popular leader at the moment. Does anybody know if it can be fitted with an undercarriage Can it be used for the "B" test... although I need my A test first Edited By WolstonFlyer on 03/10/2012 16:42:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fats Flyer Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Yes you can put a trike undercarriage on it....if i remember correctly,it is on the plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Jones Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Posted by WolstonFlyer on 03/10/2012 16:42:33: Looks like the Tucano is the popular leader at the moment. Does anybody know if it can be fitted with an undercarriage Can it be used for the "B" test... although I need my A test first Edited By WolstonFlyer on 03/10/2012 16:42:46 It say yes to all of your questions here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Thanks both, that is good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigercatFlyir Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Posted by Phil B on 02/10/2012 05:48:53: Posted by Stephen Jones on 01/10/2012 21:20:38: Hi , I think which ever is the wining model chosen should be re published as a free plan . So as all who wish to take part can without having to buy a plan or at least those that are only vaguely thinking about it will have the plan to look over which may give them the added push to get involved . Besides i lost my plan of the mini Jazz . Yes very goog idea Yeah. I have always wanted to make any one of the models on here but being a student finding spare money for plans and things is hard. If I want a plan or kit I have to choose the one I want the most out of a list. An idea would be to have put up a model that would be a free plan in a future issue just like you did with the mini tryo Edited By Ed Mason on 04/10/2012 17:46:15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Haslam Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 It's the Tucano for me. Saw some of these at Chester a few years ago but there was no kits left as they had all sold out and I always regretted not building one - it would be great to get another chance as they seemed extremely forgiving in flight even at slow speed. But how would we get canopies etc? Would RCM&E make them available or do BVR Kits still sell them? Romie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Hawes Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hi Ronnie, I'm afraid BVR KITS no longer trades, however the canopies were produced by Steve Davis at Vortex Plastics and as far as I'm aware he still keeps these in stock as well as doing bespoke one-offs. Hope this helps, Nigel Hawes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hello Nigel . I have just built one of your Tucano's . In fact It was the very first kit that you included a letter in to the owner descibing it as " very much pre -production"The kit was given to me some time later and languished in the loft for a few years. I built it early this year with a cox TeeDee for power but changed it to electric just recently . It uses a 3600kv motor spinning a 5 1/4 x 51/4 cam prop and goes like a pylon racer . loads of fun . ideal for a quick livener to wake up the fingers . Are you still designing /producing kits? E.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I may be missing something here, but, I can't find a plan for the Tucano anywhere in the MHS plans service. If it is to be a mass build where are the plans available from? GDB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Apart from this one, it is the first search result.**Link**Edited By WolstonFlyer on 06/10/2012 14:03:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Vortex Vacform ( is that the same as Vortex Plastics? ) list a Tucano canopy for 8 pounds but that seems larger than that on the plan. ( how do they measure a canopy - trimmed size or as it comes from the mould? ) MyHobbyStores sell the plan for 12.50 and canopy for 10.45 pounds. The plan price seems very steep for such a small model and it's at least twice the price you would expect for a bit of paper with very little ink on it! Perhaps we should say to MHS "if we choose this plan will you give us all a much better deal to encourage building from plans?" If they dont agree lets choose something else! We must have some clout in this matter! ( actually I dont care -for myself - I have the plan but I want to encourage others to build from plans ) Maybe Vortex would do a deal too. Note. I am referring to the 45 inch Tucano maybe the previous engine data referred to the smaller version? Edited By kc on 06/10/2012 18:49:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Winks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Having drawn a few model boat plans my self I can fully appreciate the work that goes into a design that when on paper is capable of being replicated by others and from that perspective I feel the plan prices on MHS are probably very reasonable I am unable to comment on the value for money aspect of the canopy although I guess the demand for an item very much determines its retail price. Tooling costs are by far the largest chunk of producing an item like a canopy so a low demand has to increase the price so as to allow re-couping of these costs within a reasonable time span. Just my 2p worth phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 Maybe if we approached MHS with a slightly less theatening and bullying posture we might achieve more? BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Winks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hear Hear Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim C Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 The Vortex canopy is just fine, he also has a vac formed interior and pilot set. This is the canopy and pilot set, I used foam for making the interior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I hope BEB wasn't referring to me when he mentioned threatening and bullying! I was suggesting using normal business tactics ....."if we can buy in quantity can you offer us a better deal because we have other options too" Far better to have a fair deal than have high prices which encourage people to pass around 'bootleg' copies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Fisher Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 The Pushy Cat fooled me. I seem to remember a model of the same name designed either by Vic Smeed or Dave Boddington. Had that been the one it would have been my choice. As for being suitable for beginners - are low wingers really ideal? Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Posted by Malcolm Fisher on 06/10/2012 20:05:32: As for being suitable for beginners - are low wingers really ideal? Malcolm I did wonder that Malcolm, and the figure of eight shaped formers that mean curved balsa sides aren't the perfect introduction for those that havn't built before either. I think the Whizzza fits the first timers breif better, and with a very impressive performance envelope it would be a lot of fun for all. I think that because we've done this a few times, we new have a range of experiences wanting to join in that is almost impossible to cater for. If all those that have voted join in however, there will be an enormous base of participants. That's 180 so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Winks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Apperently the pushy cat is just that a docile delta with low throws and a tame ish power train however hot it up and its got blisstering performence I have flown a similar twin boom delta pusher some years ago its name escapes me and it was so stable in the glide even back then it made me look good Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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