SONNY MONKS Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 yes i agree andrew 767,metal ends up in a scrap yard,and we end up in a bone yard lol!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH. Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 'Soul' , Man.. You've either got it or you haven't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Posted by Don Fry on 28/11/2018 19:25:31: Mr Hess seems silent John, or perhaps writing a crushing response. Maybe round at neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ron Gray Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Translation, soul - character. All of my I/C engines have it, none of my electric do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH. Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 This is all getting a bit deep and esoteric now.. Let's just say 'you've gotta have some Soul to know Soul'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 If you can detect "soul" in an engine, don't worry it's only the unavoidable out of balance forces inherent in every model engine. The illusion is caused by the hallucinogenic effect of the inhaled exhaust fumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Trying to explain the "soul" aspect of an IC engined model to those who can't understand it is like trying to explain the concept of empathy to a psychopath - not that I'm suggesting for one minute that every electric-only exponent is one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH. Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Another 'Soul' Classic - You've gotta have it to do it. https://youtu.be/8AXkfhqvO44 Edited By ASH. on 29/11/2018 01:19:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Freeman 3 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I fly both, big electrics are very expensive and take more time to ensure batteries are charged but less time after flying as the air frames are cleaner and little vibration issues. Most of us will pay more for the petrol to get to the flying field than what we will use cost wise for the fuel or batteries when flying. A nicely set up gas or glow motor does give me a thrill, and a nice sounding is even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 My great grandchildren will not know the lovely sound of a Moki radial or a Kolm engine. With the ban on ic car sales in 2040 they won’t grow up knowing what a combustion engine is . I think we’re the generation that’s had the best of it. Here Never thought about the cost of running electric vs IC......still don’t, it’s what the pilot wants, personal preference. Edited By cymaz on 29/11/2018 06:43:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster prop Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Posted by PatMc on 28/11/2018 20:03:48: Engines don't have souls (does anything ?), they are lumps of various metals hacked into shape, assembled and made to function by the application of the correct mixture of fuel & air. There sole useful function is to provide power, which is exactly the same function of an electric motor. Exactly. It depends whether you think the engine is the most Important thing or the plane being flown. After all you just need motive power, it can be I.c. electric, rubber band, CO2 or wind onto a slope. It's the flying that matters. Talking of which, are we glider flyers all soulless psychopaths because we don't use I.c. motors? In reply to the OP I admit that for large power models electric would be expensive but for the small ones I fly electric has advantages. I don't think you can even get r/c engines less than .40, certainly not as 4 strokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 "Talking of which, are we glider flyers all soulless psychopaths because we don't use I.c. motors?" Nah, you're all at one with nature... freezing your brass monkeys off in a gale on a hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eflightray Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 The sound of an IC engine is often what make a scale model that bit more interesting, especially if it's the 'right' sound. Admittedly not a very good example, there are better sound systems. But then different people also like listening to different music, it's all a personal taste. Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hess Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Posted by eflightray on 29/11/2018 13:25:10: The sound of an IC engine is often what make a scale model that bit more interesting, especially if it's the 'right' sound. Admittedly not a very good example, there are better sound systems. But then different people also like listening to different music, it's all a personal taste. Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH. Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Oh great, lolly sticks to emulate the sound of a piston engine. I've heard of 'fake it to make it'.. but this is taking the biscuit. I once saw an electric model with a plastic dummy glow engine on the front - That's sad.Edited By ASH. on 29/11/2018 21:53:57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I've seen an ic motor cut away to fit an inrunner inside it. Barking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel newby Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 We used to use them in the wheels of our push bike the hit the spokes and make a racket. Great fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Posted by buster prop on 29/11/2018 08:49:26:Talking of which, are we glider flyers all soulless psychopaths because we don't use I.c. motors? Not in the slightest...an unpowered model glider is replicating the purest form of flight and the lack of a power source is simply remaining true to those principles. As it's the glider being modelled , the use of any power source to get it to launch height is a minor part of the process (winch or aerotow are probably the most desirable methods from the point of view of true scale operation) and I'm more than happy to use an electric motor to achieve a launch for the sake of practicality at a mainly power club. While the use of synthetic sound may give an illusion of reality (and that admittedly is what scale modellers try to do) it doesn't add that extra level of operating which IC engine lovers find so rewarding. There's no right or wrong claimed here - just an attempt to illustrate the feeling of "soul" which some of us have toward our single or limited multi-cylindered engines representing (usually) much more complex originals. One thing to note is that I stated that not every electric-only exponent is a psychopath - not that any are more or less likely to be so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex nicol Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 It's all about choice, as technology advances the choice of propulsion units increase. when James Watt invented the steam engine, they couldn't imagine the ic engine, let alone electric units Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Posted by alex nicol on 30/11/2018 00:58:15: It's all about choice, as technology advances the choice of propulsion units increase. when James Watt invented the steam engine, they couldn't imagine the ic engine, let alone electric units A pedant I know, but steam engines existed in Roman times, and several existed as commercial successes before the improvements made by Watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Pedant's double post finger twitch. Edited By Don Fry on 30/11/2018 10:04:28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 My own view is not that electric is any better or worse but it does allow you to attempt things that would not be possible or practical with IC. Not my cup of tea but the most obvious being the infamous "quad" and in particular those "palm" sized ones! The small 40 mm or less EDFs are another example. My own favourite is to build a WW1 rotary around the bell of an out runner. The end result sits on a scale bulkhead. A low kV motor allows it to turn a scale diameter prop. At 24" span it is hard to imagine doing this sort of thing with IC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Well the same would apply to edf for smaller jets. But isn't this getting away from the question in the OP and, as predicted, degenerating into a 'what's better, IC or electric' discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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