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Glenn Ryan
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Hello All,

 

I see now that digital subscribers get access to a digital copy of the free plans which is awesome however when I went to the digital archive and download the plans they are only the size of an A4 page. Is there a way to get the digital copy without having to try and resize the PDF to the right size. To be able to resize the PDF requires the full copy of Adobe Acrobat which comes at a cost.

 

Or am I missing something here?

 

Cheers,

 

Glenn.

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18 minutes ago, Outrunner said:

When you print from Acrobat Reader there an option to alter the size as a percentage, if it's bigger than the available paper size you can tile across many sheets of paper or take it to your local copy shop and they will print it whatever size you like.

Copy shops (at least, around here!) won't copy them if there is any copyright information on them. I tried to get my "Stringalong" plans copied, as they hadn't aged well and are no longer listed The copy shop wouldn't touch them...

 

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Adobe Acrobat is free and the later versions have better features.   If Acrobat is used to print at 100 percent it seems to come out exactly to size in both horizontal and vertical dimensions when printed on my HP printer ( for plans from Outerzone - I have not tried the RCME plans yet ).   Other browsers etc do not necessarily come out exactly right size.

With the later Acrobat Reader versions it is easy to highlight certain features like wing ribs and just print those if required.   Or select 'Poster' to 'tile' print whole plan to A4 ( one of the options ) and select only those A4 sheets that are wanted.   Also select the option to put in cut marks which makes it easy to sellotape the A4 prints together. Perhaps set 'Overlap' at .5 inch

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Ok maybe I didn't explain myself well. When I downloaded the plans they only downloaded at the size of an A4 page. There was no options to save it as a 100% size or anything like that. It just downloaded as an 8"x11" page.

 

I'm using the Page Suite online magazine reader that the Modelflying website takes you to when you click on the Digital Archives page. 

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1 hour ago, Glenn Ryan said:

Ok maybe I didn't explain myself well. When I downloaded the plans they only downloaded at the size of an A4 page. There was no options to save it as a 100% size or anything like that. It just downloaded as an 8"x11" page.

 

I'm using the Page Suite online magazine reader that the Modelflying website takes you to when you click on the Digital Archives page. 

 

Download the PDF file and open it in Acrobat Reader (free) click on print and then you can choose scaling options and paper size etc.

 

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11 hours ago, kc said:

Adobe Acrobat is free and the later versions have better features.   If Acrobat is used to print at 100 percent it seems to come out exactly to size in both horizontal and vertical dimensions when printed on my HP printer ( for plans from Outerzone - I have not tried the RCME plans yet ).   Other browsers etc do not necessarily come out exactly right size.

With the later Acrobat Reader versions it is easy to highlight certain features like wing ribs and just print those if required.   Or select 'Poster' to 'tile' print whole plan to A4 ( one of the options ) and select only those A4 sheets that are wanted.   Also select the option to put in cut marks which makes it easy to sellotape the A4 prints together. Perhaps set 'Overlap' at .5 inch

 

Yes Outerzone plans are fine when you download them and go to print them. The problem here is that the plans offered under our subscription are not full size plans. They are only the size of an A4 page. It is then up to us readers to accurately resize the page and print them. Seems like a potential recipe for disaster if you ask me. Sure it is awesome that the plans are offered to us digitally but the execution of the process is a little flawed. 

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14 minutes ago, Andy Stephenson said:

Glenn,

You might find there's a difference between opening a PDF file in a browser and opening it in acrobat reader. There are more options as to what to do with the file once in the reader.

 

Yes it is in acrobat reader that I am looking.

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1 minute ago, Andy Stephenson said:

It looks like this problem should be taken up with the magazine editor, as it doesn't seem a lot of use how it's formatted. If it's published with the intention of being built from, it should be scaled appropriately.

 

And that was my thoughts exactly. We shouldn't have to worry about trying to get the right size on our end. 

 

Take for example if someone buys a short kit from Sarik to build this plane and they print the plans but the print is not exactly perfect then there'll be discrepancies and potential build issues.

I don't know how to talk to the editors but yeah perhaps it is something that they should be made aware of.

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I have just been speaking to a friend and he is a digital subscriber too. He downloaded the plans and he has the same issue with them being the size of an A4 page.

 

He has tried to scale them up to the right size however because he has had to enlarge the size when printing all of the lines are enlarged leaving you with a thick fuzzy line. Not a thin, smooth line like you would get from the printed plans in the magazine. That's not going to work. Especially if you plan to cut your own kit.

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I'm not trying to be negative here either. I think the offering of the digital plans is a great thing however I just think the execution is a little off at this stage. If we can be given the plans at 100% of the original size and not have to worry about trying to scale them to the right size then they are onto a winner.

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6 hours ago, Glenn Ryan said:

 

He has tried to scale them up to the right size however because he has had to enlarge the size when printing all of the lines are enlarged leaving you with a thick fuzzy line. Not a thin, smooth line like you would get from the printed plans in the magazine. That's not going to work. Especially if you plan to cut your own kit

The PDF is a raster image not vector so is really just a low resolution picture of the original. If you scale it up you will get pixelated (fuzzy) lines, how much fuzziness will depend on the resolution of the PDF. If you look at the Kestrel it is a really poor copy of the drawings, I was interested in these as I want to make a foam version so tried importing the PDF into CAD but, in the end, gave up. I will get a hard copy of the drawing and work with that instead. Ideally, if the mag had vectorised PDFs that would be great but I don’t see that happening.

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Actually I quite like it, gives me a little picture of the plan to make my mind up if I want to build it. 
And if I do want to build it, I will buy the full price version of the plan, nicer paper, better spacing of components, when the build is about to start.

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Hopefully this will go some way to explain it!

 

I scanned a part of the Hanky Plank paper plan, the first image of the left was scanned at a resolution of 75 the one on the right 1200. I have then zoomed in by the same amount on both and you should be able to see that the quality is far better on the right hand image than the left. In photography the same thing applies, save the photo at a high resolution and you will be able to zoom in far more before the picture gets 'fuzzy'. The best solution for us digital subscribers would be for the vectorised PDFs to be available to download as scaling up or down makes no difference to the quality.

 

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20 hours ago, Ron Gray said:

Hopefully this will go some way to explain it!

 

I scanned a part of the Hanky Plank paper plan, the first image of the left was scanned at a resolution of 75 the one on the right 1200. I have then zoomed in by the same amount on both and you should be able to see that the quality is far better on the right hand image than the left. In photography the same thing applies, save the photo at a high resolution and you will be able to zoom in far more before the picture gets 'fuzzy'. The best solution for us digital subscribers would be for the vectorised PDFs to be available to download as scaling up or down makes no difference to the quality.

 

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Ron, what you're saying is exactly right, however unless we get vectorised PDF's the next best option would be to download the PDF's, re-scan it back in at the highest of possible resolution (1200dpi or something high like that) then resize it so we don't lose the clarity.

 

Yes that would probably work but geez it's a lot of mucking around.

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