steve gunn Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 am i mad for trying this as my first build. What are these exams for flying. and with the 104" wings is there a problem with fitting petrol instead of ectric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve gunn Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 so like a fool who is completely new to rc modelling, I decided to build my own. The plans are on the way as i speak. Its the nijhuis 104" wing lancaster. I am probably a little ambitious, but what the hell. I need to fly it and i understand there are exams to pass to do this , any info would be gratefully recieved as long as no bad laguage is involved lol. Also can I fit petrol engines instead of electric. Also anyone who has built like this in the essex area wants to come and advise it would also be most wellcome. converting my 20 ft avairy into workshop at present then i am ready to build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Steve, have you flown a model before? Because this is not only one hell of a first build - its also no model to learn to fly on! BEB Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 15/05/2013 00:04:26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I don't want to rain on your parade, but Most clubs are going to insist that you have a 'B' certificate to fly that as its over 7kg and let's face it you won't be able to fly it in a park so... So... Here is a suggestion.... Build something that you can learn to really fly first, and use it to prepare yourself for the additional expense and complication of the Lancaster. I'm still learning about building, but I started with a SLEC funfly for that very reason. I had a plan pack for the Nijhuis Spitifre and knew I needed expereince on something else first. Even having done that, make sure that you really understand what you are doing. This is a wonderful model but will represent a huge investment of time and money, and can be very satisfying. Get it wrong, by.... Well just for example; building 'wash in' into one of your wings by accident, and it will spin in on the first flight. There is nothing wrong with taking on audacious projects, but its a mistake not to respect the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Wood Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Get an ARTF trainer now, join a club and learn to an 'A' standard minimum. Its not a legal requirement but it is by far the best way to start flying bigger models. Lancasters are actually quite easy to fly but you have to treat them with respect and plan your next manouver before you start it as they are quite slow to do things. I would also highly recommend electric, you need a reasonable bit of experience to be able to set up and run 4 IC engines reliably. If you are not in a rush I would also recommend that you build the smaller electric one first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly P Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 I have to say that I saw the BBMF Lanc as I was on my way home on Sunday, flying over the M3. I wanted one there and then, but have manged to resist..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensioners1938 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Steve I will ask you a question. Do you think that Guy Gibson learned to fly in a Lancaster or did he start to learn to fly in a basic trainer like the Tiger Moth? As others have said buy a basic trainer and join a club so you will get expert advice and training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hickson Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Posted by steve gunn on 14/05/2013 22:44:28: am i mad for trying this as my first build. A little, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieNUFC Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Well i'll not argue with any advice given but i can tell you my side. For my first build i am doing a 1/4 Nieuport and no i cannot fly a plan either. It has taken me 6 months but it is just about ready for flying. A member of the club i belong to (The Flying Doc on here) has lent me a 7' model to learn with and i also have access to a club trainer, so i can start to learn whilst i get another member to test fly it so when i am ready its there, i also have a flight sim. So i say go for it, but find a club to join and learn to fly whilst you are building,best of both i say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve gunn Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 made my first mistake...........built a jig to get the angle of the wing right. turnred the jig round to make the second wing, but also tuned the drawing round. Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!! If there is anyone out there needs a left wing i appear to have 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve gunn Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 i have also bought a second hand plane that has been through the wars, but i am assured that it does fly although it has a few patches etc, thyis will be my trainer plane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR 71 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 , Go for it Steve, my first build coming back after a forty year break was the TN B17 and i could not fly either, but do get a trainer to learn on while you build it. I have nearly finnished a 134" TN Lancaster its an easy plane to build, just think things out as you go along, AND have a big workspace, mine will have 4 ASP 52 FS s in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyUK Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Steve, only way to prove people right or wrong is to keep up the posts as you go along - good or bad. I'll be following and willing you to succeed but have to agree on the advice about a club even if it's only to get building advice for those tricky bits where the plan and instructions don't seem to quite match. Skippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Take time to read Tony Bennets build of the TN Lanc.He is a prolific builder and its taken him a year and he builds constantly.Its a massive build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Jones 2 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Good luck! What a great project! Please keep us up-dated on your progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Sometimes you can't get through to people to go the right way. The local model shop was asked if they could put a plane together for someone, who never flown before. Added to that, it's an F-15 edf!!! The model shop kept insisting that it's the wrong plane, but would put it together, anyway. The person wanted it together, hopefully it will be a hanger queen, not get destroyed in a second. It's still there,in the shop, after over a month. The person has still yet to pick it up, and do fancy it, myself, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hi Steve, You are being way too ambitious... If you go on as you describe, you'll almost certainly never get the Lanc finished...And if you do, you will never be able to get it airborne...Now, for a much more sensible course. BUILD a trainer, and get to know some of the techniques of building...Learn to fly it with the help of a club. Maybe after a couple more models, you can consider the lanc. Believe me, it's the only way to go........................ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Please take the advice above seriously. Quite apart from the perils to your pocket there is the possibility of hurting - or killing - someone if it all goes wrong. Sounds melodromatic, I know but this very scenario with a much smaller model and an inexperienced "go it alone" flyer killed a 14 year old girl a few years back. No amount of insurance (which you are extremely strongly advised to have) could compensate for such a loss. Once you go above 7kg, you then take on far more legal responsibility for the consequences of your actions. Any incident coming to the attention of the CAA could result in you having to justify the decision to fly your model and judge its fitness for flight in a court of law. Having made the "heavy" points above, on the plus side is the pleasure and sense of achievement you'll get from learning to fly and especially with a model you've created yourself. A good club shouldl enhance this experience and I believe the majority would agree - although there are many who enjoy flying alone. Good luck and welcome to the hobby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve gunn Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 i do intend to join a cluband learn to fly with a small plane, i also understand the need to insure. I am saving at present for transmitter that will fly the lanc, then i plan to join a club and fly a trainer or one of these planes i bought. i understand i need to be level 2 qualified. how do i add pictures here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Steve - take a look through this section it will explain how to post pictures, videos and links. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve gunn Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share Posted August 29, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 looking good so far. it's a big beasty to build isn't it. but worth all the hard work involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Grigg Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I bet Garry had eyes on stalks when he saw the Lanc Tony ,look at it,its a master piece,good luck Steve,hope Tony gives you inspiration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Davis 2 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hi Steve, I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking and building big, the sense of achievement you get from your own build is the best. Ok you have a problem when it comes to flying but I'm sure a club could check your model out and might have someone qualified to fly, if they want to take the risk. I do think you should find a small hack to fly at least you gain the experience and maybe one day fly the models you build with the right training. good luck Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyUK Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Looks promising Steve, I'm still watching and egging you on. Tony, very nice, very envious. SWMBO offered to get me a large kit for when we finish our house move - might take her up on it... Skippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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