Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Ok Boys and girls - somewhere we can chew the fat over the various nominations! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg shaw Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 My selfish mass build list would be from 3 categories. 1, A traditional vintage type model, simple and quick enough to build. Nice to look at and fly on those evenings we WILL get at Greenacres 2, An 1/8th scale 1930's civilian, leccy powered, say Tiger, Gipsy Moth at al. This is as its been on my wish list for as long as I've been flying my HP42. The reason being to park it up alongside to show just how huge the full size HP42 was. eg, an 1/8 scale Tiger is about 4ft span, the HP in the same scale is about 17ft. We could even do the mass flying slot and have all of em up at once, HP included, just so long as Mr Hooper doesn't let me nearly snare his model my struts again!! Perhaps I could build something to suit from the RCME free plan range, any suggestions? 3. Something just plain stupid! Either in design, construction, flying or whatever!! This needs to be cheap and simple as it is just to join in! Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Either of Peter Russell's Deltas, the 363 or the smaller 362. Cheap and simple to build, no fuselage or tailplane in the conventional sense, they don't take up much space in the car either. Easy to fly, if you can manage an aileron trainer, you should be alright with one of these. Capable of slow and high-speed flight, convertible to electric power, aerobatic too! What's not to like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I picked Peter Millers Dragon Dancer 2 here's why It's a free plan, it's cheap to build and fly, not complicated, but if you wish it has scope to do your own thing...open cockpit, round the wing and tail feathers off. Its a model that will handle a bit of wind and looks to be a well mannered flyer. John **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie sawyer Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I would like to say, everyone did a scratch build of there own design but that would never work lol.......If there was a list of certain sizes of wood and sq stock that all entry's adhered to and then unleash your imagination lol but that would never help the new comers and beginners now would it !!! Maybe that's a good idea for some other time....it could be really good fun and quite interesting to see what other peoples creations were at the end..... I like the idea of a vintage thrown in to the mass build....I don't have any certain air frames at this moment but I will look when I get chance....I like the Ben Buckle range and find myself going back and looking all the time I'd quite like to see what everyone thinks of my idea above to....but another thread for that is the way to go... Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingCrust Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 How about Tim Hoopers Clean Sweep? Has anyone built one IC powered? I'd like to build one anyway, probably the 48. But if IC powered I'd prefer this option. Also available in 3 sizes. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 TFC - if you want to actually nominate Clean Sweep you need to add it to nominations thread here Nominations there,...chat here. BEB Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 18/09/2014 20:31:32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I may be wrong Jamie but I think vintage is meant in the old stuff definition, rather than the Ben Buckle model type. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 We did "old designs" (which I think we defined as pre 1970) for the second Mass Build in 2012. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlyingCrust Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Point made, BeB. Sorry. Was just thinking aloud. Haven't made my mind up yet. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This is what Peter Russell's 363 looks like, **LINK** and as regards "old designs," while many of us built them in 2012, the weekend was washed out by a monsoon! Mind you I don't know how many would be up for building a second vintage model. I already have three of them plus the Telemaster so would prefer something a little less traditional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I would gladly do another vintage model, the Mamselle was a real joy to build, and any excuse to do another slightly larger one. It was a real shame we didn't get them up together. Chris B, Steve B and myself all got our 3 vintage models with diesels started and aloft in a 30 second slot, this year, great fun. Who says diesels are trouble to start D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think there should be ultimately two model design choices for the mass build this year as one design is unlikely to be universally popular with new builders as well as the more experienced builders/flyers. So perhaps a 'floater class' eg Red Eagle, Jermima, or Derek Woodwards VSP. What these designs have in common is lots of wing area (low wing loading) a simple build coupled with a relaxing flying style. The second class I suggest would be fast and aerobatic so a little more demanding to fly and build but still a relative quick build eg TN DH Mosquito 46 or Peter Miller's Alley Cat/Dragon Dancer 2/Miss Lizzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Mamselle would get my vote in a 'Floater class' Danny, it has been on my 'build list' for a long time. I have an MP Jet Super Atom diesel to go in it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsay Todd Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I know its only been circa 48hrs but I am actually quite surprised how relatively few nominations have been made yet. I suggested the humble Piper Cub although not a particular version, my thinking being that here is a beloved aeroplane that suits a wide range of abilities and fairly simple in its layout and build. It also offer the opportunity for those not partaking in the build to perhaps share a moment in the sky if not specifically at the time of a mass build flight but at least subsequently. That being said I rather like the Mamselle too now I have seen it, and that I guess is another issue, actualy finding and choosing a model. The rcme plans seem to be weel hidden on the site so perhaps a link to both these and traplet would be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I put a link to the plan on, but here's a bit of info, Dragon Dancer 2 was a free plan in the December 2012 RCME. Wingspan 45 inch a/u/w just shy of 4lb, power 32 i.c or electric equivalent. A simple sheet build fuzz and tail feathers, or you could do a built up rear end to save a bit of weight, constant chord wing with a semi symmetrical wing section. It looks a nice fun model that will not be a handful, and it won't break the bank to build or fly. Thinking something like this to power it. John **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I have added my suggestions to the list. Beretta. A foam built EDF, which looks very attractive. A straight forward build (I've not built in foam yet) and power trains are now reasonably priced for this type of model. Unfortunately not suited to the novice flier though, I think. Bristol Scout D. Another straight forward build suitable for the novice builder, who would like a scale biplane in his fleet. Wouldn't take a lot of conversion to electric. Whitman Tailwind. Another easy build for the novice, but would be probably a better model for the novice flier (like me) to build. As I said in my post. These aren't my particular favourites, But I thought they may suit the mass build and I would be happy to attempt any of them. There are others, which I would like to nominate, but the availabilty of plans and hardware have to be considered as well. I'm sure if enough people want cut parts, then one of the specialist companies would oblige at reasonable cost, for my choices. Kevinb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 You got a link to plan for Tailwind Kevin or any info ? John Had a look at it, it's got a weird rudder or I had a bad picture Edited By john stones 1 on 19/09/2014 23:19:48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Lack of nominations does not necessarily mean lack of interest. The people that the mass build is aimed at will not necessarily know what models to nominate. This is why the model choice is so important. It needs to be something with mass appeal. This is why I nominated the WOT4. I'm not sure whether the mass build concept is promoted within the RCM&E magazine. If not, maybe it should be, as a way of getting people interested in the best parts of the hobby - building, flying and meeting people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Timmis Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Workmaster by Ron Moulton. This was my first ever rc model back in about 1965 I think. Its' a semi scale Auster. Mine flew superbly on single channel with a PAW 1.5 diesel. Would make a great trainer with ailerons, enlarge to 60" & electric power. Simple build with good appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Posted by john stones 1 on 19/09/2014 22:52:36: You got a link to plan for Tailwind Kevin or any info ? John Had a look at it, it's got a weird rudder or I had a bad picture Edited By john stones 1 on 19/09/2014 23:19:48 PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 I have nominated Mike Keay's "Basic3D". OK it is an RCM&E plan but that is not the reason! I nominated it because: 1. Its easy to build but at the same time it includes all the steps in a traditional build - so a good experience for a new builder. 2. It's called "Basic3D" because the idea was to develop a model that an inexperienced flyer could handle no problem, but with the throws turned up and the fires lit she'll "do the book" 3. She's a nice weight and size and for electric modellers she'll go well on a 4s 5000mAh battery with great duration. 4. As a design -she as tough as old boots and so will easily stand a bit of rough handling from a beginner flyer - she makes a great winter hack. 5. I've flown one belonging to a club mate, and with a light wing loading she's an absolute lady. So, a model that teaches a lot about building but isn't difficult to build, is easy to fly, but offers the more experienced a chance to have some aerobatic fun. Something for everyone! What more could you ask for? BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 A very good suggestion BEB. I have been tempted by this one on several occasions since i read the RCM&E article in 2006. Question is, as Mike Keay gave the option of a 58in span or alternatively the 'hooligan' 52in clipped wing version, which one would you go for? Here is the original article. A CNC kit of parts is available; £73 from My Hobby Stores too. Edited By Piers Bowlan on 20/09/2014 19:17:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Mmmm, its a tricky decision. The hooligan in me says build the 52" one and chuck it about! But then as what I suppose I'd really use it for - basic runabout winter hack - maybe the 58" would be a more sensible choice! But hey! Life is too short to be sensible all the time isn't it! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Some variety of choices in the nominations folks, I'm quite taken with 3 off them, not 4 though Gary John p.s thanks Kevin Edited By john stones 1 on 20/09/2014 20:49:31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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