RC IC Engines, you've probably never heard of.

[Frank Skilbeck]

Vega 50 twin, here's mine running many years ago, never seen another one.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Frank Skilbeck

[Nigel R]

  

13 hours ago, Paul Marsh said:

Force have just brought out the 52. Looks quite snazzy. ordered one and should be arriving soon. Already have the .46, so hopefully there will be more models arriving...

 

What is the carb like on the .46?

Are they 'proper' ABC?

 

I wonder how much wider range will be produced for aero use.

 

Nevertheless, interesting development that someone has stepped in to fill (some of) the gap that ASP left.

[Engine Doctor]

Who distributes this range of engines ?

[alan p]

Try Just Engines

[Andy Stephenson]

11 hours ago, Frank Skilbeck said:

Vega 50 twin, here's mine running many years ago, never seen another one.

 

 

I remember John Harbone who made the Vega range of side-valve 4 stroke engines, He was around when I was in the Worcester club some 30 years ago. They were never very powerful but they had the advantage of having a lower profile for scale modellers.

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

On 17/08/2020 at 14:03, David Davis said:

I believe that Comos were produced by Super Tigre.

 

They were

and

They were sold by MFA - I think.

 

Steve

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

On 25/03/2021 at 08:42, Nigel R said:

  

 

What is the carb like on the .46?

Are they 'proper' ABC?

 

I wonder how much wider range will be produced for aero use.

 

Nevertheless, interesting development that someone has stepped in to fill (some of) the gap that ASP left.

 

From what I have seen it is similar to ASP and SC.  It's a good job J Perkins jumped in with the Force engines , there was little available around the 40/50 two stroke size. For years I have seen I C running down. Like it or not Electric Flight has had a marked effect on engine production.

 

When the SC Factory / Asp Factory closed like many I realized that was the end of various engines, but I didn't realize how many engine 'makes' were manufactured at that Factory. I was informed that Horizon's Evolution engines were made there which surprised me. I think Evolution is a brand that covers a few different manufacturers. The Radials are made/were made in India I thought. But two stroke Evolution engines do appear to have come out of the SC factory.

 

Force - first look , they look good. Well made.

 

BUT - while they might be a new name to aero-modelers they have been making some I.C Car engines for quite a number of years. Manufacturing model car engines will have given them a lesson in making engines robust.

 

Every so please JP jumped in with Force

 

Paul - have you run yours much?

 

Steve

 

 

[Frank Skilbeck]

On 25/03/2021 at 11:18, alan p said:

Try Just Engines

 

They are listed on Perkins website, they also do an extensive range of car engines, so not such a big step to aircraft engines. 

 

(Steve pipped me to the post!)

Edited March 30, 2021 by Frank Skilbeck

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

On 24/03/2021 at 21:30, Tim Hooper said:

 

 

I love my TBR 049

 

I just picked up a couple more 030 TBR Kompish FI's off Alex. He said he had 6 left. We had been discussing what engines were coming and what he still had some of them. I'd got one of his new Millish MK II 030Ci TBR RD Diesel ( Sorry I don't have a picture ready to upload . I had two on order but Alex is waiting for the remaining stock and so I only have one of the  030 Ci TBR RD Diesel's . I'd like one to run and one to 'collect'. The  Front Induction Kompish 030 TBR FI is one of the best looking of the 'cartoon' engines.  Alex was selling them at £100 and TBH it's an incredible price for such an engine. I think he had them made a couple of years back and I'd guess if he had them manufactured now they would be £140 or £150 at best guess. I picked up a couple to either use or invest in as they tend to go up in value.

 

Strangely I think that 4 or 5 years ago two stroke glows with the help of eBay hit an all time low in value. I remember i picked up some two strokes under a tenner on eBay. working engines. Unreal. Now the ASP factory has gone. Model engine production is at a low it seems the standard two stroke on the second hand market is rising in value.

 

eBay 5 years ago - SS40 Enya engines - £25 to £45 on eBay. Nice ones with little use or no use have been going for far more. I'd seen a few used ones in the £70 to £80 s bracket and a new in box one easily makes a price over £100. Of course Enya have not manufactured SS 40's since the early nauties. 

 

So a bit like when diesels ceased in the late 70's and 80's they started to gain in price and now a days some sell for small fortunes. In the 80's you could pick up Oliver Tigres quite cheap. Now £200? £300? £400 ? £500 or more.. wow..

 

Just thoughts. I'm starting to wish I had bought lots of two strokes , I didn't see a shortage of engines! or the Sc Factory going.

 

Steve

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

16 minutes ago, Frank Skilbeck said:

 

They are listed on Perkins website, they also do an extensive range of car engines, so not such a big step to aircraft engines. 

 

(Steve pipped me to the post!)

Only just pipped you. I am not usually around. But was searching on google for something and ended up here. Hence a couple of posts. I think I was looking at Force Engines to see what feedback they were getting. I'm pleased to say it all looks positive to me.

 

It Does no harm to let the world no I'm still alive. I have been unable to visit my store for over a year. I had to shield due to health issues. I take immune suppressant drugs as well. So on the extremely vulnerable list.

 

I have just got the date for the second shot of the Vaccine, so the small LED solar powered light at the end of the tunnel is a little brighter. I should be able to come out of shielding if progress with the Covid epidemic continues and SWM will be opening later in April ( I mean to callers - its still open Mail Order). Fingers crossed that we don't see a 3rd Wave. It would be terrible for everyone.

 

The Store has continued to trade Mail Order thanks to the best team I've known, SWM is like a family. They've opened when possible , but continued as best as they could like many other model stores. Some other areas of retail will not be around when the country re opens. I think it says a lot about the Hobby Community. We have had some terrific support. Sorry off topic... Back to Force.. and engines..

 

Companies like JP - with the Force Engines. We are so lucky that they are a company that could be bothered to get some 40 size two strokes. I don't think there's any others currently. Hence some prices on eBay!  I picked up a OS 40 FSR in a Job Lot and its been Ultrasonically Cleaned up and YESssss probably one of OS engines best ever 40 engines. I sold mine in the early days of SWM ( I sold lots of my own stuff starting out!) . I have one again. I'm not sure if I should pass it on or keep it. Its something I wouldn't use now. IC I tend to like four strokes and you may have heard.... Diesels.

 

I wonder what effect the WW Pandemic will have on remaining Hobby Companies? I'm still quite shocked with closures of Solarfilm ( in the UK) and SC Factory - who produced many more makes than any off us realize. 

 

That lights back on!!

 

Steve

 

 

 

[Nigel R]

I'm hanging on to my 40 and 60 size two strokes for now. They've easily doubled, possibly more, for the second handers, since 3 or 4 years ago. As have the 60 size. I will probably sell my spare part pile though, maybe someone can use those bits to finish a near complete motor of their own.

 

Second hand, bigger, glow in two stroke still looks unpopular, and quite cheap, to me. The 15 or 20cc stuff. ST 2300 and the like. Petrol is there doing that job instead.

 

Good news for us that Force have produced something. It does not, at first glance, have much mechanical in common with their other motors, which all look smaller. So it represents a complete new development for them, I guess.

[Nigel R]

PS good to see yourself and SWM alive and kicking.

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

21 hours ago, Nigel R said:

I'm hanging on to my 40 and 60 size two strokes for now. They've easily doubled, possibly more, for the second handers, since 3 or 4 years ago. As have the 60 size. I will probably sell my spare part pile though, maybe someone can use those bits to finish a near complete motor of their own.

 

Second hand, bigger, glow in two stroke still looks unpopular, and quite cheap, to me. The 15 or 20cc stuff. ST 2300 and the like. Petrol is there doing that job instead.

 

Good news for us that Force have produced something. It does not, at first glance, have much mechanical in common with their other motors, which all look smaller. So it represents a complete new development for them, I guess.

Hi Nigel, I have a pal that I have asked to convert a huge Super Tigre to Diesel. Just to see if we can. He warned me that bigger glow to diesel conversions can tend to run hot on converted large glows. He was not sure it would work, but we said if I get one cheap enough. Sure enough they were on eBay and I was pipped at the Post in the £50's - they sold under £60 that is for sure. Yes you are right the larger glows seem to be wallowing at the bottom. They may have risen slightly though because before I wanted one I got one at a Club Sale Night for £15 - Unreal. Huge Super Tigre 2500 it was. £15 - I bet the box cost more.  The other problem going diesel with one is that if its a ringed engine they don't tend to convert well. I have a Super Tigre RC 61 Diesel. I haven't run it, but it has run and is described as being raspy. 

 

Here are some of my N RAT Diesels - I prefer to call them Tarn Diesels. Peter is a good mate and he's had the diesels featured in Aeromodeller. Hes a talented model engineer that has a successful formula for the Glow to Diesel Conversion. Technically maybe these should not be in the thread as they are not 'off the shelf' but they are of interest I'm sure and not what people normally see!  At SWM there was a Nova Ross-21 buggy engine and it was a 2007 World Champs Edition. A £450 engine now a days if it was a 2019 World Champs but being a 2007 it had missed its moment. The team tried to sell it and even failed on eBay. I said when they tried it at £75 and it didnt sell and they were going to drop it to £50 - I'll have it. So I bought it and gave it to Pete and I have one of the most powerful rear exhaust diesels. LOl.. It snarrrls. I have 2 Nova Rossi Diesels now. Both from Buggy Motors.  You can see the original glow head in one pic.

 

Enjoy the feast of conversions. The La 46 handles nice as a diesel and the SS 40 - ring engines are not as good as they are not easy start with the ring and the SS45Ring I have converted to diesel will not hand start. It will start with a starter, but diesels and starters are a NO NO as if they over compress its a bent rod certainty. I'd say for its lack of easy starting the SS45 ring is the least successful. Pete's engines ? I have bought mine off him on eBay except for one or two specials like the Rossi's . He is N.Rat on eBay . Not there all the time, but when he is , its worth a look at what he'd selling. I'm probably making the auctions more popular, I should keep them to myself. But in reality I cant keep getting more Tarn diesels. I have a few now!

 

Steve

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

22 hours ago, Nigel R said:

PS good to see yourself and SWM alive and kicking.

Thanks Nige. I confirm it feels good to be alive ? today is my official finish Shielding Day, but I should have had my second shot of the vaccine and I haven't yet and so its wise and I've been advised to get that done and emerge 14 days after that. So I should be out toward the end of April. There's long story regard the second shot and being late for it, but TBH the NHS are doing a sterling Job with the vaccine roll out. Its gone perfect for so many, I've been a little unlucky. The first one was perfect. I suffer terribly from the Law of Sod and so when I had the first I knew the second would not pan out the same!

 

The store is probably more alive than me. It has a life of its own SWM. I was amazed on 14th Feb 1987 when I opened and took £50.35  or £50.85 something like that. I have generally been amazed by the support from all over the World. 34 years Open. That's something as far as  RC business's go. I do wish there were as many around as there we in 1987. I'd say there's 80 to 90 specialist stores that carry stocks of RC and  RC, FF modelling in any real depth. When I started there were over 1000.  I said years ago that Model Shops were the windows to the hobby. I think that's proving correct as it seems less beginners are starting than ever. Lets not go to 'young people' . I can't think we've seen any for a while. Starting off that is. Yep I model shop in every town would be great. All those new people starting would find their way to us at some point and to other deep specialists.

Take Care and stay safe. The tunnel light was on, went off, started blinking and is now shining brighter than it was! For everyone I hope. What strange times these have been. Still are. There's 3 years of effect to come if not more. It'll be Covid Vaccinations with the Flue ones every year.

 

and to stay on Topic (ish)

 

My very different ED 046 Baby. An eBay broken engine purpose that still cost over £40 with no lugs. Just stubs where they had been and a bit of metal showing the tell tale signs of squishing in a vice. Please... people don't put engines in a vice. They can be ruined. This one broke its lugs and halved its value. I think it should have quartered its value but hey ho... Its now a rear radial mount version. 1950's engine brought back to life and destined for a small RC assist model. The ED was a 'broken spares repairs one' Took a gamble and bid on it and won it for around £45 I think. It would not turn over. The contra piston had been wound the full depth of the screw and the cylinder slackened to turn it over. It was stuck solid. Lots of cleaning, soaking didnt shift the contra piston. So it was a dowel and a wooden mallet. Thwack and now it worked. Contra piston loose again. Although to be fair it has stuck a couple more times. Its loosened when it fires now. It could be a little corrosion making that finite tolerance , not as finite.

 

Enjoy and hope loads of you got flying. I know some of the clubs local to us were flying yesterday. Yes... normal life!!

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

OOops the post above. The other engine is a Saxby Nipper. Its a lightly used one. I finally got my hands on one of these. Apart from some mishandling of the spinner nut it's in good order. I do plan to run it. Scary. I've waited 15 years or more for one of these and one came along and I need to hide the credit card bill.

 

No ones looking on here that will tell Mrs Steve.

 

Oops.

 

Steve

[brokenenglish]

Steve, if you need legal support, I'm willing to testify on the engines that Jenny has purchased from me...?

[Paul Marsh]

Force .52 . Steve Webb models sells them, though this one wasn't as it was only £89 from ebay, delivered, and I don't think the engines in SWM are this colour. if they are, then we'll see when I get to the shop.

 

 

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

On 25/03/2021 at 10:22, Engine Doctor said:

Who distributes this range of engines ?

Force? Its J Perkins - available from all good model stores

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

58 minutes ago, brokenenglish said:

Steve, if you need legal support, I'm willing to testify on the engines that Jenny has purchased from me...?

That's a good idea, kind of you. I'm in bad books today. Our living room smells lovely... sorry I mean horrible - I was cleaning up a DC Merlin. Not great cosmetically but I've been reading up and buying supplies to try anodizing. So, if its a nice runner a candidate to try a make over. Usually for me - That's cleaning, servicing, fitting a tank, even making a tank or look a like tank. Bottle tops are fantastic. Sometimes Fred and I would 'make over' an engine. Not quite the stuff for the purists. I think many engines with a new coat of anodizing can look good again. DC and Frog seem to have mauled heads all the time. I think because the head vibrated loose and on the field the Pliers were used. I can understand that to a point. I'm sure I did it as a kid, until i found it knackered the anodizing. I dont think of it as a big engine crime , like drilling out mounting holes. People who do that should be shot. I know its extreme. 

 

Back to bottle top tanks - We ( my son and I , not SWM - SWM dont renovate engines!) gave an  ED Comp Special a make over. The lugs were broken and I built little balsa moulds stuck to the engine and then we used a 'metal' epoxy that was £14 off eBay. Its very thin superglue with incredibly hard plastic ? acrylic? filings, so crushed down its like sand. Poor the powder in the moulds and then a really strong thin cyano that comes with the powder. It dries and is consistent with the metal its repairing.  I must have used one set of the stuff before I got the hang off it. I tried play doh and plasticine as moulds that placed the gumption on an engine. The balsa 'shuttering' worked well as it sanded off leaving the rough lug shape which was then filed and drilled. All by hand.

 

But it looked like it had been repaired. I didn't mind telling a buyer it had been repaired and we actually did sell the engine on eBay. Well the lad did. Insurance money for his car a while back. We used a engine coating. Red from Halfords. I think engine block paint. I have it somewhere. It was very thick. Like a surface plastic. The tank was one of the first Bottle Top tanks. But it worked.  Now we'd have something much nicer. Like a Repro Tank as I have a couple. LOL.

 

The Comp special was off eBay £29 plus post. Broken lugs. A runner, I think Fred got over £60 reselling it. Probably cost £30 for the repairs. But its about useful engines again when they are like this. Someone is getting pleasure from it. 

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

33 minutes ago, Paul Marsh said:

Force .52 . Steve Webb models sells them, though this one wasn't as it was only £89 from ebay, delivered, and I don't think the engines in SWM are this colour. if they are, then we'll see when I get to the shop.

 

 

Hi Paul,

 

Was that direct from China?  Before eBay Tax happened?

 

Steve

 

 

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

7 minutes ago, Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models) said:

Hi Paul,

 

Was that direct from China?  Before eBay Tax happened?

 

Steve

 

 

https://www.jperkins.com/products/FORE-5201

 

J Perkins are the UK distributor, they could be the European distributor. So UK stores get then from J Perkins. Don't forget that when you buy from a UK store there's 20% Vat in the price. The Tax man takes that. So from China with 7.5% Duty and 20% Vat you would be looking at £115 approx.  I think SWM are around £112/£113 - I'm not at the store currently. I expect they are not much more than £124.99 retail in the UK and when customers get discounted prices from model stores I always say ( as Paul would know) that they get a better deal than the shop do.

 

I'm not quite sure of the logic buying direct from China for retail customers as all the stuff they've fought for warranties, service, quality, retail law does not apply to a Chinese Import. It arrives bust, try sending it back to China. But that's not the main concern. I'm not yet familiar with Force engines but if a Chinese Company , then similar companies can request to manufacture. An example would be the Tower Pro 9 g servo. We sell 1000's and they are from Tower Pro, but there are a zillion other traders in China that sell the same servo design. Some call it 9 gram, some call it Tower, some call it Tower Pro. We might call these copies, but they are in fact the when Chinese industry works. It puts factory against factory. It is communism's take on capitalism.  So that's great for the consumer. No it isn't because the Factories that don't usually make servos and make electronic parts for Alarms or Phones make servos and get it wrong, so they dump them and you can buy 10 for £2.99 on eBay. They are not Tower Pro. They look the same. So, unfortunately when buyers of such servos get their 10 9g servos for £2.99 and surprise surprise ( thank you Cilla) they do not work ? Do they take it on the chin? and buy some from a reputable supply? Some do. But some buy 10 from a reputable supply and then the 10 they got for £2.99 they send back to that UK retailer and try to pass them off as the 10 proper real servos. It does make me quite angry to think that model stores go to the trouble of importing the genuine product and customers want it cheap so buy alternative production. I don't thing copies is the correct term. Its the same product from unknown manufacture, but when they get bit for the 10 servos at £2.99 they think they can get £29.90 of servos from a Bona fide UK supplier by sending them to them as a return.

 

Anyway whats that got to do with Force? It would appear JP stock is a different colour and could also be different spec. Often the Chinese will have a Chinese Spec and the European/ UK dealer with have a European Spec to take care of all those rights that the retail groups have lobbied for over the years. Warranty, trading standard etc etc.

 

Apart from that, I make no bones I'd love to see model stores in every town. Independent model stores, with beginners finding them and that fueling the hobby. New blood. people wine on about it all the time how club numbers are decreasing, the hobby is losing suppliers. Look at Solarfilm. A british modelling institution and they could not survive. So maybe 80 stores are fueling the new blood in the UK . in 1987 when i started there were probably 1500. The Northwhich Club reached 80 or 85 members, i know SWM sent lots of beginners there. The Club has 11 members and one is me with an Honorary membership. I think there's a direct tie with model shop numbers and beginners.

 

But then again what do I know... ?

 

Paul See pic for UK version. 

 

Steve

[Nigel R]

Store prices are around 115 on the .52 and 90 on the .46.

 

They look really good value to my mind.

 

Paul out of interest, what diameter is the carb spigot?

Edited April 1, 2021 by Nigel R

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

I made some cracking typos and missed a few words in the Post, is there any way to edit a post on this new forum as that's one I should have read before clicking.

 

Paul - Not having a go at you for buying from China, although it might sound that way. I just think certain things have put a another nail in coffin of the hobby and while people talk young people not joining and the various reasons for the decline in Clubs the big thing that stares in the face is the local model shop. The more that vanishes the more the hobby shrinks. I'm sure there's a link. Unfortunately it will make no odds you getting an engine from China instead of a UK supplier as the damage is probably already done. It happened earlier in the 2000's when HK and Giant Cod avoided VAT on orders. Do you remember GC? Plus traders on eBay on mass avoiding tax. It was a totally unfair playing field for UK retail ( all not just the model trade). Finally eBay has eBay Tax and customs have cracked down on people avoiding tax. Its makes for fairer trading. Plus China is catching up and maybe surpassing us in some areas regard living standards. There's a Car industry, there's wealthy businessmen and well paid employees. The costs go up, the field levels. Some say Africa is the next cheap manufacturing place. Imagine that model engines from Africa? They really did cause some damage to retail. The same thing was happening in  all retail trades, not just modelling. My thinking is nothing knew I was talking about this back in the 80's. I started SWM because I firmly believed in a good local model shop. Turned out to be very different than I imagined and SWM is mainly Mail Order now a days. The cracking service making good the slightly dated web site. I recently bought something from Australia and the eBay Tax and carriage put around £80 on the £140 product. No idea how it works. It was more than I expected.  I thought around £64 Vat/Duty, but I guess eBay are putting a charge in there for handling it. Parcel Force do similar with the £12 to £18 charge for handling a product through customs.

 

Fortunately SWM have a good following and I'm thankful for that. Especially during this pandemic. So much was unknown and still is. I got lots of pictures from one of the local clubs that got back out flying end of lock down.  It was fantastic to the guys back out there. Hopefully a return to a type of 'normal' will follow in the next 3 months, 6months? 36 months?  I think the Covid effect will be with us for sometime. When this started off 14 months ago for us I really had no idea what would happen. Pleased to say I can't wait to get my next vaccine and see my store! I really miss that smell! LOL. 

 

West Diesels

 

An engine you can get only direct from Weston UK. The West Diesels. Its such a shame they don't sell them through stores, but I guess the cost is just to high to carry a margin for model shops.   The West Diesels various sizes for RC well worth a look at. I should think not many down the flying fields yet. I hope that changes.

 

This is my own West 38 I got from Alan and June at Weston. Super People and Alan's been serving the model trade since for ever. He goes all the way back to early ED engines.

 

I have to fly. Sorry about the typos. Hope the jist of it is understandable.

 

Steve

 

 

 

Back on topic

[Paul Marsh]

The engine I got was from UK and as we're still in lockdown, Amazon and ebay are the only things I'm using now. Also I had a £20 ebay voucher on that engine, as it was £109 and a £20 voucher took it to £89. Will buy the SWM UK version when the shop opens again as don't like using mail order unless there is no other portal , prefer to buy in person or not at all.

A said, the UK version is different and as a engine collector will have both to drool over ...

[Steven Webb (Steve Webb Models)]

50 minutes ago, Paul Marsh said:

The engine I got was from UK and as we're still in lockdown, Amazon and ebay are the only things I'm using now. Also I had a £20 ebay voucher on that engine, as it was £109 and a £20 voucher took it to £89. Will buy the SWM UK version when the shop opens again as don't like using mail order unless there is no other portal , prefer to buy in person or not at all.

A said, the UK version is different and as a engine collector will have both to drool over ...

Hi Paul,

 

I wasn't having a moan at you. I read it back and it might seem that way. I just saw an opportunity to explain some stuff about Chinese trading. The servo issue is one we've come across. If there's 10 servos for £2.99 plus £6.00 post most people would think that sounds dodgy, but you'd be surprised the amount of people that fall for it. Then when they don't work the genuine manufacturer gets the moan. I've found when dealing with the 'genuine' manufacture in China the quality is usually excellent. Do you know that we sell more Tower 9g servos than any other and we get the least back. Less than all other makes. We do get servos people have bought elsewhere, they try to pass off as those sent to them. Why does it have to be like that? Its not something I would ever think of myself. Surprisingly to those that do that sort of thing , its funny how they think they are the only one to have that idea. LOL.

 

At least your post forewarned me that they were on eBay. I've checked the listing on eBay and they do not look the same as the UK version. The colour is different, but I think the NVA might be also. When you get a UK/Europe version could you let us know what differences there are if any?

 

At the price on eBay £109. plus eBay Tax and Shipping - I think was £13?  there is no need for UK stores to worry as they are slightly  less than direct from China . That was a pleasant surprise. Of course it could be different with an eBay voucher. You can't ignore a gift of £20 off.  I occasionally get vouchers and everything I try to use them eBay says its not eligible for what ever I'm trying to buy. The only one that ever works for me is the Packing Voucher. There's £10 voucher comes every month because of the steve_webb_models eBay store.  Its very difficult to convey and news of pricing off eBay on eBay as its not allowed. What I would say is that if you see something on eBay check the model stores in the UK as often the prices can be cheaper than eBay. It makes sense as shops have to recover that commission eBay takes. We put a disclaimer on our eBay that prices differ on eBay than our other selling platforms. Hopefully modelers check prices. eBay store has become a necessary evil. All the main model stores are on there. I must admit I've been thinking about Amazon for a couple of years, but can't bring myself to list there.

 

Have you got one of the West Diesels Paul?  or any RC diesels?  The Peter Tarn conversions are quite collectible. He's a talented model engineer and each engine is tried, tested and if any issue is found it never makes it to sale. He's a very straight person. Super chap.

 

Have a Happy Good Friday. Good to hear you've survived the Pandemic. Knock on wood...

 

I got lost of pictures sent me of the first days back flying. Wowee there's some activity on the flying fields at last.

 

I think these four pics say it. The Biplane is a Miss Tally - from grey fish on eBay. I have a large one built and a small one built and a mono plane version built. All need RC and finishing. But I do plan to fly some diesels in them.

 

Best Wishes

 

Steve