McG 6969 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 I think I've covered the essentials, so any idea what I might put in it? ernie "Regarding the 'folding' bits, why not having a standard full set together with another one with the 'folding' zone etched. We then could use the best/easiest set for the job". ... unless my proposition above was totally meaningless... ??? Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose L. G. Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi Ernie. How about the exhausts stubs? A nice rectangle to fold in an almost oval shape Edited By Jose L. G. on 30/06/2018 08:59:47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Ernie can I make a suggetion? Could you make the holes smaller so that they are more an indication of where the hole is. Then we can drill/open them up as required? Much as I do on the glass fibre horns/hinges? A drilled hole is easier to match to our own hardware (screws/bolts etc) Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi Danny That's a super sensible suggestion. Unfortunately, I can't see an easy way to do it. But for the scale gru on my favourite mag.I'll sort it out ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Brookland museums replica. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Just for further interest, the Fury story began with the Hawker Hornet prototype of 1928. Even in 1935 the Fury looked pretty good, but in 1928 the Hornet was sensational really. In an earlier post I said photos were hard to find but going on line I found some straight away. These are straight from BAe Systems Heritage web page, so all credits to them. If I wasn’t doing the Spanish version, I’d do this. Edited By Colin Leighfield on 01/07/2018 17:36:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 What are the differences between the Fury 1 and the Hornet Colin? Looks very similar to me? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 The Fury is a really interesting subject, a bit more history that you might already know, but here it is anyway. Rolls Royce’s development of the Kestrel was kick-started by the inspirational Curtiss D1 engine, used successfully by them in their own mould breaking low drag designs. Fairey were so impressed that they acquired licences and built the original Firefly in 1925 using the Curtiss engine. You can see from the photo here where both Rolls Royce and Hawker got the inspiration for the Kestrel and Hornet/Fury from. Because the RAF didn’t want to use an American engine, for the competition in 1928 won by the Hornet, Fairey entered a version of the Firefly powered by the Kestrel and there wasn’t much in it. Reportedly the Hornet won because the Firefly was of wooden construction and the RAF wanted metal. Westland also entered with the very attractive Wizard monoplane, also Kestrel powered, but it lost out to the biplanes. Hope you don’t mind me wandering a bit, but I think this history is fascinating. Hawker get a lot of credit for their streamlined Kestrel powered biplanes, but it was kicked off by Fairey with the D1 engine, the Fox and the Firefly. The outcome was the elegant Fury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Hi Danny. I’ve read that the Fury was slightly larger but I’ve checked the dimensions and the wings are identical, the fuselage might be 6” longer but that varies depending on the source. I would guess that the main differences would be associated with “productionising”, in all key elements I think they are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Just to add to the understanding of the range of variations achievable from the basic Fury plan, here is the F20/27. Originally tested with first a Bristol Jupiter and then a Mercury. When converted to the Rolls Royce engine it became the Hornet and was about 15 mph faster than with the early Mercury, which at that time had significant problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 The true progenitor of the Kestrel and the Fury? The Schneider Trophy winning Curtiss R3C3. We certainly wouldn’t get away with building this in the Fury project though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 To finish off this mini-series (!) on the further options with the Fury, there was also a floatplane version of the Nimrod naval variant. Interesting to compare this with the Curtiss Schneider Trophy planes that can certainly be considered as having kicked off the line that lead to the Fury. Also although I don’t think it has been said before, it shows that, although more indirect than with the Spitfire, there really is a connection between the Hurricane and the Schneider Trophy. Camm went wrong through doggedly sticking to the mistaken belief that thick wing sections didn’t increase high speed drag and compromised the development potential of the Hurricane and almost unbelievably persevered with this mistake in the Tornado/Typhoon, so failing in the objective of producing a superior interceptor that could replace the Spitfire from 1941. The fact that it turned out to be good low down was fortunate but not intended. The Fury really was an important link in this consecutive series of events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Hi Danny and the fury guys, Heres a wee tool that I use for bending metal bits. Also a mini anvil that's probably the most dinky thing in my workshop I got them from Multirex in France ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Hi Colin, and thanks for all the extra info, fascinating stuff. However implying that my hero Sir Camm ever did anything wrong is tantamount to blasphemy Hi Ernie, the Anvil I get, but how does the wire shaper work? Getting closer........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Hello Ernie Could you post a link to the bender you have shown? Could not find that at Multirex site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Hi Guys, I hope this gives you the link folder If not its https://www.multirex.net/index.cfm Alas it's not a wire bender. It's designed for thin sheet bits, such as we are planning for the Fury; You trap the bit under one of the metal bits, and the bend it against the edge Easier to do than to say ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Thanks Ernie, The link only takes one to the website, but not the exact item. I had tried looking up the site but did not find the exact item hence sent you the request for link Yes do understand that it's meant to use on thin sheet metal Edited By Manish Chandrayan on 02/07/2018 16:30:24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Is this it? Tool Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucksboy Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 It's a tool that the plastic modellers use to bend their photo etched parts. I'd expect Hannants and others to stock them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Good one Danny! I’m less of a Camm fan than you are, Hawker could have done a much better job for the RAF before 1943/44 I think, but that’s just an opinion. Back from Spain tomorrow, need to sort out my build priorities next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 Thanks Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Hi Guys, yes that's it. I must learn how to post links It says mini folder, all metal, allows the bending of most photoetched bits. ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klippy Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I decided to get an Airfix 1:72 plastic kit to use as a reference during the build, I am close-ish to a model shop for a few days but my kit is 200miles away! Can anyone give me the Humbrol paint numbers for the SAARF version? So I can order paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Posted by Klippy on 05/07/2018 09:02:19: I decided to get an Airfix 1:72 plastic kit to use as a reference during the build, I am close-ish to a model shop for a few days but my kit is 200miles away! Can anyone give me the Humbrol paint numbers for the SAARF version? So I can order paint. I'm doing the same thing I'll check and post the numbers a little later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hi Klippy the colours are as follows 11 silver 29 matt dark earth 30 matt dark green 65 matt light blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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