Bruce Collinson Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Hot news, the LMS Modelshop Leeds (we refer to it as the Precious Shop) has Lasers in stock. Even more precious now! BTC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Only just (most of them have already been sold !). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 A shame that there isn't a European distributor,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: A shame that there isn't a European distributor,,, I am working on it. I have been waiting for the boss to sort out the price list for a shop in Germany for about a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, Jon - Laser Engines said: I am working on it. I have been waiting for the boss to sort out the price list for a shop in Germany for about a year. Are German numbers different ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Paul De Tourtoulon said: Are German numbers different ?. They should be the way they up the prices of their cars when sold to the UK. Because of our " must have the latest model" approach they call the UK Treasure Island . Well done Laser , let the rest of the world pay for proper engineering . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 In the interest of science (partly because my wife has a Passat) I asked google... "how much does an M3 Touring cost in..." (you can't buy a new Passat any more) UK Quote M3 Touring will start from £88,550 Germany Quote Based on the M3 Competition M xDrive four-door sedan, the M3 Touring is priced at €97,800 in Germany.22 Jun 2022 £1 = 0.88 Euro. 97800 Euro * 0.88 = £86064 Seems about the same. Quite pricey though. Something cheaper. An entry level golf comfortline 1.5 tsi, this list prices are £23300 vs E24350. I am aware that car pricing used to be very different many moons ago but that no longer seems to be the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, Nigel R said: In the interest of science (partly because my wife has a Passat) I asked google... "how much does an M3 Touring cost in..." (you can't buy a new Passat any more) UK Germany £1 = 0.88 Euro. 97800 Euro * 0.88 = £86064 Seems about the same. Quite pricey though. Something cheaper. An entry level golf comfortline 1.5 tsi, this list prices are £23300 vs E24350. I am aware that car pricing used to be very different many moons ago but that no longer seems to be the case? I would think that the German spec will be for a fully loaded example and UK price will be a basic unit Add on all the extra spec and it will be well Over the German price . Of course i could be wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 we have never had to deal with trade pricing before so it all has to be worked out. For some reason, this takes many years. I am out of the loop on this one as i am not allowed to know about the money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Jon - Laser Engines said: we have never had to deal with trade pricing before so it all has to be worked out. For some reason, this takes many years. I am out of the loop on this one as i am not allowed to know about the money. You know about any competitors products so why are you not included in developing a pricing policy . In a real world environment you woukd think that any input from someone who knows the product and its copetitors products woukd be welcone around the table. You obviously have the wrong coloured collar Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Jon - Laser Engines said: we have never had to deal with trade pricing before so it all has to be worked out. For some reason, this takes many years. I am out of the loop on this one as i am not allowed to know about the money. I didn't know you were married. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel R Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Engine Doctor said: I would think that the German spec will be for a fully loaded example and UK price will be a basic unit Add on all the extra spec and it will be well Over the German price . Of course i could be wrong ? https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2023-bmw-m3-touring-priced-in-germany-and-the-united-kingdom-191898.html Quote Based on the M3 Competition M xDrive four-door sedan, the M3 Touring is priced at €97,800 in Germany. British customers are charged £80,550 before options, and the conversion to U.S. dollars isn’t necessary because the current-generation 3 Series Touring isn’t homologated stateside. From that article(mid 2022) it looks like it is actually cheaper to buy in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Hate to moan lads, being gobby by nature, but speaking as one who is living in an area, cast into the outer darkness, without a suitable motor for an air frame, can we stick to the point. Walk a mile in my shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Side note. Don your O rings, they were for a 150 exhaust right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ovenden Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Laser engines being available in more model shops = more sales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenenglish Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 I think most cars are slightly cheaper purchased in countries other than their country of manufacture. The manufacturers consider that they have a "captive market" in their own country (i.e. people who will only buy a car from their own country). Conversely, they make a slight "pricing effort" for other countries, to gain export revenue. In France, there are flourishing businesses who import new cars from abroad (say importing Peugeot from Denmark or Germany), and then sell them to French customers at a price somewhere between the domestic price and the export price. You can save a bit if you don't mind the hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, David Ovenden said: Laser engines being available in more model shops = more sales Is this such a good MO as a way to get more sales and hence more profit for the company? Shop has to make its cut so will prices go up or will Laser's margin be trimmed to maintain retail prices? Still costs the same to make an engine no matter who sells it. Laser seem to have no trouble selling all they can make as it is via direct sales, so why not expand that with some decent adverts, better website and demos at shows etc as proved so successful for JE. I doubt whether many modellers will wander into a model shop if they have one nearby and say on a whim "oh a nice Laser on the shelf, I'll have that as a treat". Lasers, I suspect, are carefully planned and researched purchases, so I don't see the advantage of having them in shops and creating what is, after all, a middle man. Happy to be corrected. Edited April 20, 2023 by Cuban8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 It is if you can’t buy them, like us in the outer darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Squirrel Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 What am I missing? Why cant people in EU for example just buy from the laser site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Flying Squirrel said: What am I missing? Why cant people in EU for example just buy from the laser site? Sending an individual product to an individual customer is an absolute customs nightmare. Reams of paperwork for us taking up to an hour per item sent, long customs delays and fees for customers. Shipping 10 engines to a business with all the codes and VAT details is much much easier. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul devereux Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Flying Squirrel said: What am I missing? Why cant people in EU for example just buy from the laser site? Brexit has made trade from the UK to the EU unviable for many small manufacturers. Up to a third of existing companies have had to either give up trying to sell in Europe, cease trading completely, or become absorbed by a larger company with a hub in the EU: Shipping from the UK to the European Union after Brexit The retailer selling goods from the UK will now face some serious problems in getting the goods to the customers in DE and FR and these may potentially negatively impact the customer experience. Because the UK is no longer part of the EU Customs Union or VAT regime after 31 December 2020, it means that it loses the VAT and customs simplification measures that make it very easy to sell goods across the continent. Sellers now have to consider: #paying Customs Tariffs #identifying HS and commodity codes #completing customs declarations #managing increased VAT liabilities Edited April 20, 2023 by paul devereux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Because John doesn’t to export to the EU anymore. Too many products got damaged in the customs process. And then the project has returned to John to get repaired ,no profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Squirrel Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 I assumed it was Brexit related but didn't fully understand so thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 No one mentioned profit margins for the UE based distributor and a second one for the retailer,,,🤧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Exported Laser engines will probably be confiscated as containing dangerous substance as Jon test runs them and sets them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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