toto Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 The courier has just dropped off my Phoenix Domino high wing trainer model. Jumped in to open the box as you do and immediately noticed something that stopped me in my tracks ...... a statement ...... no gluing required. Now, before I even finished taking the lid off, I did not believe this statement. My initial " wish " was that maybe ..... just maybe ..... they had glued the hinges in place ( although frankly , I knew that was wishful thinking as well ). I was not disappointed, one tug at the vertical rudder confirmed my thought ....... no glue applied. I haven't tried the elevator or ailerons but I think we all know the answer to that as well. Furthermore .... the main wings are held on with 4 nylon bolts .... there is a wing brace and my money is on the tradition that they will need glued together as well ...... then the main tail assembly. How can they get away with such blatant misrepresentation ? It doesn't matter as I did not buy the model based on that premise but someone might. Build today ..... fly tomorrow it states. Given that you may have a fuel tank and engine set up to do ...... you would need to be pretty good to achieve that ...... what about epoxy curing time alone. Unrealistic. Not really intended as a moan by the way ..... just a wee grumpy Scottish observation. Tye finish of the model does look nice although it has only had a very quick 5 mi ute going over. I will be doing the assembly thread relatively soon on completion of my Arising Star where the Domino will be in competition with my Tiger 60 to see who wins pole position on the " trainer assembly front " Cheers for now Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Toto, the wing is a two piece wing, just insert the aluminium tube in each wing and slide them together, attach the servo leads and attach to the fuselage with 4 bolts. No need to glue the two halves together. It makes it much easier to transport! GDB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 Sound Caveman. I hadn't got around to thoroughly reading the I structions as yet but presumed the wings would have been glued. So much the better that they are not as .... as you say, transportation will be so much easier. Apllogies to Phoenix for my misrepresentation. but hey ...... dont get too snug ...... you still have to glue the hinges . Thanks Caveman Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Walby Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, toto said: The courier has just dropped off my Phoenix Domino high wing trainer model. Jumped in to open the box as you do and immediately noticed something that stopped me in my tracks ...... a statement ...... no gluing required. Now, before I even finished taking the lid off, I did not believe this statement. My initial " wish " was that maybe ..... just maybe ..... they had glued the hinges in place ( although frankly , I knew that was wishful thinking as well ). I was not disappointed, one tug at the vertical rudder confirmed my thought ....... no glue applied. I haven't tried the elevator or ailerons but I think we all know the answer to that as well. Furthermore .... the main wings are held on with 4 nylon bolts .... there is a wing brace and my money is on the tradition that they will need glued together as well ...... then the main tail assembly. How can they get away with such blatant misrepresentation ? It doesn't matter as I did not buy the model based on that premise but someone might. Build today ..... fly tomorrow it states. Given that you may have a fuel tank and engine set up to do ...... you would need to be pretty good to achieve that ...... what about epoxy curing time alone. Unrealistic. Not really intended as a moan by the way ..... just a wee grumpy Scottish observation. Tye finish of the model does look nice although it has only had a very quick 5 mi ute going over. I will be doing the assembly thread relatively soon on completion of my Arising Star where the Domino will be in competition with my Tiger 60 to see who wins pole position on the " trainer assembly front " Cheers for now Toto I think you are miss quoting Phoenix The Domino Trainer ARF comes out of the box 95% prebuilt and you can be out at the flying field in only a few hours. Build FAST- NO GLUEING OR SPECIAL TOOLS required, Just only two tools are all you need. It has sturdy all balsa/ply wood construction and is very stable in flight. The world of radio-controlled flight offers all kinds of adventures. If you're someone who's looking to begin the quest for adventure with a plane of your own, you've got a lot to look forward to. Start with success. Start with the Domino Trainer from Phoenix Model!!! Try building something from scratch....that last 5% can translate into many hours of work 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Hence the old saying 90% finished, just 60% left to do 😉 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share Posted July 12, 2023 It's not a complaint either but a bit misleading. It sounds like one of these two piece kits that you bought with your pocket money when you were about five years old. A wing that slotted through a fuselage. .... not quite. The positive side .... for some .... is that whilst the ultimate obje tive is to fly it, you get a secondary kick out of the additional activity of assembling it. Adds to the value maybe. Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Wait until you get a kit to build.... or a plan to build from...... or design your own..... 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) At first I assumed this was from the Phoenix firm who advertise each month in RCME but it seems it's not the same company. Domino doesn't seem to be listed by Phoenix Model Products of Newton Abbott Devon ( who have a very good reputation and UK phone number ) So it seems to be a completely different company! Don't be confused by the somewhat similar name. The Domino is advertised by a firm who give an 84 phone number - this seems to be Vietnam...... Edited July 12, 2023 by kc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zflyer Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Surely they are a local firm its a long scooter drive for your pizza! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share Posted July 12, 2023 I'm sure it has it on the box ... made in Vietnam. Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Well I thought it was strange that a reputable English firm should make a misleading statemant about their model so I checked and sure enough it turns out to be made by someone else on the other side of the world. Sold from some other country too I suppose otherwise they would have to be more careful about misdescribing the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 I'd be very surprised if Stan at PMP mad ever made an ARTF that claimed such quick assembly, so it didn't occur to me for a second that the Phoenix referred to in the thread had anything to do with Phoenix Model Products. The name Phoenix Models has been used by the Vietnamese manufacturers for quite some time - their stock in trade has always been large ARTFs - a Tucano and or PC9 springs to mind - very different than what PMP offers.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan mcatamney Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Seagull Models, Phoenix Models and Black Horse Models are all made in Vietnam by a family owned company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share Posted July 12, 2023 I thought so because if you check carefully, if it does not have ade in Vietnam on the models box ..... it's usually on the outer box ie , the externql cardboard packaging. I've noticed that with a few. Toto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, aidan mcatamney said: Seagull Models, Phoenix Models and Black Horse Models are all made in Vietnam by a family owned company. Seagull mention in this video OEM agreements with Hanger 9, Graupner, Century UK, Weston UK, E-Flite and Legend Hobby. https://youtube.com/watch?v=iz7nE61eTqU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan mcatamney Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, PDB said: Seagull mention in this video OEM agreements with Hanger 9, Graupner, Century UK, Weston UK, E-Flite and Legend Hobby. https://youtube.com/watch?v=iz7nE61eTqU Yes, that's absolutely true. They also manufacture Kyosho planes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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