roger graves Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 A 15 year old has removed and consumed 37 bottles, refilled them with water and resealed them using a home brew kit,then replaced them in situ, all without his parent's knowledge? I doubt it I would go straight to the Police with evidence and let them deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve T Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Have no doubt about this, it will surely be your house next, once he is emboldened he will get cocky and confident, you are not only protecting yourself but all neighbours in the area. I certainly find it hard to believe you are the only victim, this little creep plans in advance, replacing bottle caps! Stop him before it gets out of hand and someone gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugbear Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Don't bother with a laxative just fit one of these into the caravan and the effect will be the same but much better. http://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2964 Edited By Bugbear on 13/01/2015 12:04:22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Miller 4 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Daithi S24 Police and criminal Evidence act 1984 applies, you have been spun a yarn I am afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve T Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Please explain John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I hope you guys are not on the jury if I ever find myself on the wrong side of the law. You have more faith in the police and the legal system to reform juvenile criminals than I do. At this lads age, I was certainly more afraid of my parents than I was of the Police. That's why I suggested having a word with him. If he immediately tells you to go forth, then you know he's beyond help and the Police action is still open. I'm willing to bet that the threat of telling his parents sorts him out, especially as has dad works at the fiscals office (Scottish equivalent of Crown Prosecution Service). Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 What Gary said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Posted by Steve T on 13/01/2015 12:11:38: Please explain John? John is talking about the ability of non police being able to arrest. I think Daithi has been slightly misled into believing that if someone struggles you have to let go. The link is here: **LINK** you can indeed arrest someone and keep hold of the little darling, even if he tries to struggle. Edited By John F on 13/01/2015 12:35:49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete B Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yes, any member of the public can arrest anyone who is in the act of or who has committed an indictable offence, such as theft, burglary or assault. You have to know that is it that person who has committed the offence. The subtle difference with a constable is that he can arrest someone even if he only suspects an offence has been committed or that an an arrestable offence is about to be committed. You are entitled to use as much force as is reasonably necessary in the circumstances - so, if necessary, you can sit on him until (and, nowadays, if) a police officer arrives.... Pete Edited By Pete B - Moderator on 13/01/2015 12:40:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trebor Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Not too long ago I had an old car battery taken from the side of our house, it was only holding down a tarp covering a car. Suppose someone wanted it for scrap value, then last week I just happened to be sat in the chair looking out of the front window at 09.30 to see a ford pick up drive into the close and turn round. It had a large wire cage up the sides to hold things in the back, it stopped just out of view on the way out of the close so I got up for a look. I saw a metal box thrown in the back. Took less than a minute, one guy driving, the passenger got out when they drove in to the close, took the box, on the way out he deposited the box and got inside and off they went. Unfortunately I couldn't see the plates or which neighbour they took it from. I am keeping an eye out for them now though. Over the weekend I saw my old mum 93 she is now staying in a care home. She has bad arthritis and short term memory loss. Her gold wedding ring went missing, just so happens she never took it off due to her swollen knuckles through the arthritis. The manager is telling me she might have dropped it down the toilet. Ok there's always the chance of that but for the last 15 years that ring has never been off her hand she always had to use soap and struggled to get it off. So I'm wondering what to do about that Some countries used to cut hands off, horse thief's got hung that's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg shaw Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm with Gary Manuel and Bob Cotsford from the info we've been given. It MIGHT be just the very start of bad behaviour in which case giving the lad a criminal record really might hinder his prospects. Firstly I'd get video evidence from more than one occasion, then I'd see his parents to see what they think to the situation. If you are unhappy at their or his response then I'd warn about taking things further. I doubt I would though unless I was really unhappy with their attitude. You've also got to bear in mind that you still have to live in the neighbourhood, so being seen to give the lad and his family at least a chance to sort it out should pay dividends. As opposed to 'casing your joint', is there any chance anyone saw you loading up the caravan? Best of luck sorting it out. Ian. Ps. you must learn to drink faster! Edited By reg shaw on 13/01/2015 13:52:16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Concealing this crime by refilling the bottles surely tells you this is serious criminal act. What was put in the bottle was it contaminated water? It's unlikely to be pure tapwater but from an unhygenic source. It might cause serious health problems. Prosecute! It's the fault of people thinking we should allow criminals to get away with minor crimes that has produced the terrible state we have now - criminals get away with something then they try something else and so on. Nobodys house or property is safe. It is protecting the names of juvenile criminals that has produced the situation we have now. Publish their names for all to see. Let them be excluded from responsible jobs. Prosecuting this particular criminal now should prevent him following his parents career in law enforcement. What could be worse than getting a devious, cunning criminal in a responsible position in law enforcement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve T Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would have thought enough of us have said it by now, you will do yourself, your neighbours or the little cretin any good by letting him think this is easy money, what will be his next move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg shaw Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Folks, if it were your kid, would you still be advocating not being given the chance to sort it option? Answer, honestly!! I know you will probably say my kid wouldn't do that sort of thing, but they might, even just once. From what I've read the kid hasn't damaged anything, didn't 'break' in. I'm not in any way saying he's not done wrong, far from it, but I'd give his parents the chance to punish before the police, since the parents punishment should have more immediate impact than the police' punishment which will probably have no immediate impact whatsoever. I would think a little bit different if he'd have broken in and damaged or vandalised stuff though. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott finnie Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hi all , well i've just been along to a cctv specialist and he's coming along tomorrow to fit two cameras, one pointing towards the caravan and one inside. He also mentioned using UV dye for the time being until hes caught, just means i'll need to wear gloves whilst drinking them. I'm also investing in a intruder alarm system linked to a private security firm for the ground floor of the house. Means we can set it when we go to bed. This is a big year for ourselves settling after getting married last year and possibly baby this year so i must ensure we and our property is secure. I was up till 6am paranoid with every noise i heard. Oh id love to recycle in many for his16th, that would go down a treat haha Thanks and shall update Scott & Lorna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avtur Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 What Reg said +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinPot Pilot Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Rush next door, when the son is home and the parents are out, looking for the father to see if you can be charged with murder since someone stole a beer bottle full of weed killer from your shed ! If he panics take him to casualty to have his stomach pumped. You can always find the bottle with weed killer later if necessary and you are a forever a thoughtful and compassionate neighbour..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Brooks Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I hope the suggestions concerning refilling the bottles with something noxious for him to drink are tongue in cheek. Setting a trap like that which is intended to harm somebody could mean that YOU could end up in court and with a criminal record! Pity, but that's the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott finnie Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 I had to read that a few times hahaha I do like it. My wife just came home saying he (the son) took a photo of our car when she was reversing into the drive, i'm hoping he just likes taking photos of them. His dad has a few nice toys so maybe he was just being nosey that way. Either way my wife is scared of the smirk he has on his face all the time, she thinks he's like Chuckie. Ive told my wife i'd like to re-name our home tomorrow from "The Orchard" to "The Compound" . Just until weve dealt with the matter. Scott & Lorna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Flyer Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Scott, your last post is scary, that guy needs to be sorted out without delay. He has invaded your wife's privacy by photographing her without her permission and depending on the laws in your part of the world he may in fact have committed an offence by doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Posted by kc on 13/01/2015 14:00:21: It's the fault of people thinking we should allow criminals to get away with minor crimes that has produced the terrible state we have now - criminals get away with something then they try something else and so on. I knew it would all be my fault. Everything that goes wrong in my house is my fault so I may as well take the blame for everything that's wrong with British society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Posted by Fun Flyer on 13/01/2015 15:22:45: Scott, your last post is scary, that guy needs to be sorted out without delay. He has invaded your wife's privacy by photographing her without her permission and depending on the laws in your part of the world he may in fact have committed an offence by doing so. Sadly his wife was in a public place and he was quite at liberty to take photographs as he pleases, in the UK that is the law, even a policeman has to have VERY good grounds to prevent photography Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan W Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Phew! Not my habit to write posts, but.... If the father works at the fiscal's office, the last thing he needs in his profession is a son with criminal tendencies. Therefore he is likely to take any reasonable approach from you seriously. This should give you a much quicker and more economic result than the rigmarole of installing CCTV and trying to gather further evidence over an indeterminate period of time. I'd suggest trying to talk calmly to the parents, if possible in the first instance when the son is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Posted by scott finnie on 13/01/2015 14:55:04: I had to read that a few times hahaha I do like it. My wife just came home saying he (the son) took a photo of our car when she was reversing into the drive, i'm hoping he just likes taking photos of them. His dad has a few nice toys so maybe he was just being nosey that way. Either way my wife is scared of the smirk he has on his face all the time, she thinks he's like Chuckie. Ive told my wife i'd like to re-name our home tomorrow from "The Orchard" to "The Compound" . Just until weve dealt with the matter. Scott & Lorna It sounds like you're going to have problems with that boy. I think the best option is to go around and talk to the parents with your concerns. It isn't normal to go around being so sneaky, stealing beer, re-sealing it and replacing it, and, to be honest, I would be very, very concerned over him taking photos. How do you know he is not taking photos of your wife rather than purely the car? CCTV won't stop him taking photos and whilst there is no law against it you can ask him not to take any photos. I don't want to scare you but you need, I believe, to nip this in the bud. Edited By John F on 13/01/2015 15:47:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fun Flyer Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Posted by Dave Hopkin on 13/01/2015 15:38:51: Posted by Fun Flyer on 13/01/2015 15:22:45: Scott, your last post is scary, that guy needs to be sorted out without delay. He has invaded your wife's privacy by photographing her without her permission and depending on the laws in your part of the world he may in fact have committed an offence by doing so. Sadly his wife was in a public place and he was quite at liberty to take photographs as he pleases, in the UK that is the law, even a policeman has to have VERY good grounds to prevent photography Their driveway is not a public place and his latest behaviour displays something more serious than a teenager's desire for free beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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