John F Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 No, Area51, it was released on the news just now from the French authorities. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587 "We hear the pilot ask the co-pilot to take control of the plane and we hear at the same time the sound of a seat moving backwards and the sound of a door closing," Mr Robin told reporters. "At that moment, the co-pilot is controlling the plane by himself. While he is alone, the co-pilot presses the buttons of the flight monitoring system to put into action the descent of the aeroplane. "This action on the altitude controls can only be deliberate." Edited By John F on 26/03/2015 12:14:54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hopkin Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Posted by Area 51 on 26/03/2015 12:11:03: Posted by John F on 26/03/2015 12:05:41: It isn't just the media, John, many folk on here have also speculated quite a lot. Now that it was confirmed that the co-pilot locked the door and started an eight minute descent intentionally there will be a very different angle to the media and forums. WOW! Was it the co-pilot? I have not read if it was the Captain or 1st officer who was locked in or out! Surely this is further speculation unless it is factual and known as such. To say it was the co-pilot points a finger directly at one individual and allows the media to speculate accordingley and this will involve the co-pilots family! The FDR needs to be recovered and this will clear indicate who and how a descent into terrain was initiated.... They have already recovered one FDR and started extract files from it - I assume this information about the locked door was leaked from that extract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 John Stones. It's free speech and democracy. . With speculation and discussion eventually most truths emerge. The alternative is secrecy, cover ups and dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area 51 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Thanks, oh! That is shocking news. Airbus off the hook; cue rampant speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Yes. The French release has confirmed the co pilot was flying and alive (could hear his breathing) all the way down to the crash and that the pilot was not present in the cockpit. Wow! This is going to set the cat amongst the pigeons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area 51 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They have already recovered one FDR and started extract files from it - I assume this information about the locked door was leaked from that extract I think what they current have in the CVR (Cockpit voice recorder) the FDR is the Flight Data Recorder.. this, when played back with the CVR will present a clearer representation of what took place. Right now it seems the two recorders have become seperated as they are located in close proximity to one another in the tail of the a/c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 In order to come to that conclusion they would have had an enormous amount of sound specialist forensics attacking the sound files to determine the occurences. The aviation authorities are amazing in their abilities and working where I work I appreciate the expertise that these types of people bring to the job. This would not have been released; implicating someone directly, unless they were absolutely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_B Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 If the the pilot was of unsound mind at the time of the incident it'll be an unbearable situation for his friends and family to comprehend and live with, but what if, and it's a big if, it turns out that faith and race have played a part in this tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josip Vrandecic -Mes Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 TV Sky News/breaking news from France : ''Prosecutor: co-pilot crashed plane deliberately.'' DREADFULLY Edited By Josip Vrandecic -Mes on 26/03/2015 12:27:04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area 51 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Chilling news. How sad for all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Posted by kc on 26/03/2015 12:17:09: John Stones. It's free speech and democracy. . With speculation and discussion eventually most truths emerge. The alternative is secrecy, cover ups and dictatorship. You are free to say that K.C, I see it differently free speech n all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Smith 1 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So now we can understand why all this speculation is horse feathers and a waste of space. Why do we do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josip Vrandecic -Mes Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Posted by kc on 26/03/2015 12:17:09: John Stones. It's free speech and democracy. . With speculation and discussion eventually most truths emerge. The alternative is secrecy, cover ups and dictatorship. Hi KC , You're absolutely right .... I lived behind the Iron Curtain and I know well what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFlyer Smyth Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Is it just me or is the presentation delivery by Sky's Dermott Murnaghan grating on everyones nerves ? " The aircraft SLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMEDDDDDDDDDD into the mountain " Still I suppose after 20 years on Sky news he will never change. This subject matter is bad enough and doesn't warrant his style of reading a bulletin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It does appear that that the co-pilot did lock out the Pilot and also initiated the descent. I can only imagine (thankfully) the total devastation of those who have lost some one in the crash. I am sure that the majority will not be able to comprehend why some one would want to take others lives and futures, due to their thinking that the value of their own live was of little value. All aspects of what has occurred is a tragedy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Problem is the lockable door - stops or slows down an attempted take over of the cockpit, but doesn't work the other way round. Thing is the flight crew are the cream of the crop - highly trained and to commit suicide is so remote, But now, I reckon, there should always be two crew in the cockpit at any time, even if there is a need to only a co-pilot and pilot, a third member should be available when either member needs to leave to go to the toilet or get a snack, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I wonder if he was influenced the the Malaysian airliner 370 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Reading now, airline companies are implementing a two person policy at all times starts tonight. Although not a requirement by the authorities, this seems to be a weak link in the chain. Over the years, air crashes have made flying safer by learning from mistakes which had been made, but suicide never was taken seriously - it hardly happened, and one of these is still discounted - the Egypt Air crash where the pilot locked the FO out and put the a/c in a vertical dive - after removing the power to the FDR and CVR - hence the reason why is was never officially announced, although the police did so - as that pilot had accumilated debts and a demotion to Captain from Instructor after some questionable flight manaouvers he did in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Saunders Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 We live in a mad cruel World, what on earth was going though this mans head. Obviously protocol will have to change in the cockpit but how do you judge the state of someone's mind in such a position of responsibility ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 On the BBC World News, there was a claim by an investigator (that is how I think he introduced his role) that there has been 8 crashes from a member of a flight crew. If this is true, it could be more frequent than I would have believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's worth reading through the comments on the Professional Pilots Rumour Network to get lots of opinions on this matter. Edited By kc on 26/03/2015 19:49:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I cannot understand what would cause any one to to not only kill themselves, and also over a hundred more. I expect most of the population are in a similar position. Yet people do take their own lives, perhaps not world head line grabbing, nor involving so many others, in essence not as unusual as I initially think. It does seem, from this distance, that the co-pilot had a great job, doing what he enjoyed, paid well compared to the majority, apparently a live style that most would aspire to. Which does beg the question, why? Did he really lack the imagination or the empathy to imagine the impact of such an act would have on so many lives directly and many more consequentially. If he did, was he really that callous? Although I have forgotten the co-pilots parents, I can imagine they are not only devastated, but will suffer from vitriol from others. It is rather disturbing that a guy who was probably more mentally stable than many of us, could change, perhaps suddenly? I keep thinking why? I am assuming that the picture presented by the spokesman is quite as straight forward as at present is being presented. As it does not seem to make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_B Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Posted by kc on 26/03/2015 19:48:28: It's worth reading through the comments on the Professional Pilots Rumour Network to get lots of opinions on this matter. Edited By kc on 26/03/2015 19:49:07 There's very little useful factual info on there kc, but seemingly a lot of unprofessional waffle. Best avoided IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This was a similar incident - a well respected pilot ended his life and his passengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Pure speculation due to lack of evidence Paul. A Los Angeles court determined the rudder pcu was defective and the company and relatives settled out of court.Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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