Geoff S Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 We visited Lidl yesterday afternoon and I noticed a camera equipped quadcopter for £25. It actually said on the box that an operator ID was required. I was (slightly) tempted but decided not to bother buying. Got a decent Parkzone 2kw fan heater, though, to replace the ancient dodgy one in my workshop for the same price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodo Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Geoff, watch out for the quartz/halogen heaters when they’re in - perfect as the heating component for a home built vacuum former 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Political comments removed - please refer to the Code of Conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Until a very united front is shown to the populouse, rather than the "fixed wing versus rotors etc. Squobble" at present to an extent, the populouse will not care one bit, but see it as boys with toys storm in a tea cup . They probably will anyway until stuff effects them. An I'm alright jack attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I very much doubt Dodo, if there is going to be any traction on the back of such a big human story as the Sub Post master disaster. Being able to fly toy aeroplanes without let or hindrance is just not going to get any traction with the general public on the back of such a huge story. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodo Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Of course Peter, you are absolutely right and I can’t begin to imagine how hopeless those poor folks felt in the position they were placed. And again, I agree that our lesser plight involves a pastime and not a livelihood thank goodness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 (edited) 17 hours ago, Cuban8 said: I couldn't care less about RID being implemented outside of hobby users like model aircraft flyers and drone (multi rotor) operators, where we'll be flying our machines within line of sight and of necessity in close proximity to the pilot or operator - what's the point of RID when you can see who is flying and where they are? Who is going to bother standing at the gates of a busy model flying site with their phone app running, in order to get a bit more info on a perfectly legal activity that they can see before their very eyes? The vast majority of model aircraft and some drones will be operated from organised and known club sites, and those that do operate alone or have a more loose group arrangement, will know their responsibilities and in the vast majority of cases, will abide by the rules and the law. What benefit will RID be there? If anyone like the idiot that I saw a few years ago flying his drone out over the River Blackwater way beyond line of sight towards Bradwell nuclear plant, fancies a similar foolish and illegal escapade, then RID and rules and regs are going to be the least of their concerns and they'll definitely not be broadcasting RID, or rather like having cloned number plates - disguising their ID. We need to oppose the imposition of RID on our hobby as much as we can and as in your last sentence above, have the right thing done for us. I think we agree on that. OK, understood - you weren't suggesting RID would not happen at all, merely that you don't believe it will be applied to LOS model flyers, at least not those operating under a national association authorisation at an officially approved RID exempt location. I agree that may well be the case, but the devil will be in the detail - who reviews and authorises the sites, how much does it all cost on an annual basis, what about the slope soaring and other public access sites, country members who do not use private field, etc. etc. My biggest worry is that this is just the latest incremental erosion of our rights, and is unlikely to be the last - this constant chipping away and adding additional barriers to entry (and continuation) can't help participation in the long run. Edited January 12 by MattyB 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Pete and Dodo are correct, but our concerns that many will regard as trivial are still worth the merit and courtesy of being listened to, especially if those concerns are presented as well thought through arguments that counter many of the wild estimations and guesswork that much of the commercial UAV industry seem to thrive on and certain sections lap up. We've done our best (those in the hobby who can be bothered), opinions have been aired and we've had the opportunity to have our say. Nothing more we can do now but hope that the right decisions are made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve too Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 21 minutes ago, MattyB said: ... the devil will be in the detail - who reviews and authorises the sites, how much does it all cost on an annual basis, what about the slope soaring and other public access sites, country members who do not use private field, etc. etc. ... Indeed. What will an "exempt Model Aircraft" be? What is a "low-risk Model Aircraft flight" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) I have partaked in the CAA survey, which I found to be quite involved, requiring a lot of reading. It was and probably is still true that I am far from understanding all of the proposal, and potential issues as referenced. Some of the issues raised such as overflying crowds, individuals and properties, hints at some radical departures from what is presently thought acceptable. I did come to a view that the origins and scope of the areas highlighted within the survey, have less to do with the CAA, probably either the UK Civil Service, after a suggestion to the relevant Government Minister. There is more than a hint that the process is conjunction with the EU. I did read presently that the good Baroness (the one who seemed intent on causing us problems in the resent past) is still active, now within a civil service department, that has interests in this area. This left me thinking why, more than probably driven by the prize of commercialisation of the airspace sub 400 foot via logistic and survey drones (in all their shapes and guises) by commercial operators. In that context we are but a nuisance to those seeking to develop this area, that is Governments and Commercial Operators. The CAA is possibly more sympathetic to our position in that we are not a problem, in the way we operate, as a present day safety, noise or intrusion issue to the public or property. Drones/quads have come a long way in a very short period of time from some presently the size of insects to others that resemble light aircraft. The operations that are undertaken are wide ranging. Their capabilities ever increasing. What is affordable to industry as an issue , will be very different to us hobbyist. I think that the BMFA and some others have a tough long term fight on our behalf, that is just beginning. Edited January 12 by Erfolg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Erfolg said: that is just beginning It’s been on going for a good few years, this is now entering the end game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Erfolg said: I think that the BMFA and some others have a tough long term fight on our behalf, that is just beginning. It's been going since at least 2015 Erfolg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 End game ? Nah... As someone said " we are approaching the end of the begining....." There will be much more to come I feel....when Amazon aviation gets going there will be more restrictions placed on us all, pricing out the poor first... I really hope I am wrong but it's coming I feel. Indoor flying may blossom.... There is a possibility even control line flying will be effected, see article 16, the new one, well, a few days old now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 14 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: when Amazon aviation gets going there will When and with what technology is that ever going to happen, if scrotes rob drivers, scam deliveries, et al, hitting a drone from anti drone shot, out of a home made shotgun, is child play. Easier than nicking Whiskey from Tesco. Also God help the drone trying to manoeuvre to lower its load into the designated delivery point, when it fails to spot a higher than expected wire, or indeed when SWMBOs new underwear explodes under the shock, the chance that SWMBO reorders after being told by Amazon it was ( ie the debris) delivered. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I was aware that that the issues have been going from about 2015. What has changed and continues to change is the breadth and scope. 2015 was just the opening shots. The shear scope of the questions, the expected responses indicates this is the beginning of bigger issues. Just because some say that some belief in conspiracies, does not mean there is not a conspiracy. Although I do not see this as a conspiracy, I see the development of policy and regulation for the future. My main view, is what the BMFA are engaged in, is a continuous struggle to minimise the impacts on us. Most of us do not understand the ramifications that the survey questions indicate could be coming down the track to us. To believe what ever is agreed in the short term is not the end. It would be naïve to think so, as others have said, it is the beginning, of a continuing process (change is always with us), that appears to be gathering speed and momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve too Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 23/11/2023 at 19:18, steve too said: I understand that over 1200 AMA sites have FRIA status. There are now over 1700 FRIA's in the US. 96% of which are AMA sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Maybe a special 'drone' heading on the forum list is due. I found this today, it roughly translates as" car followers are up in arms about the new drone policing cars". https://www.auto-moto.com/en-bref/un-nouveau-radar--sulfateuse-a-pv--dans-le-collimateur-d-une-association-28901 Edited January 14 by Paul De Tourtoulon picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve too Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I wrote to my MP at the end of last year about some of the justifications for remote ID in CAP 2610 and he contacted the DfT and Home Office. The following are from the response from the Secretary of State for Transport. Re the 558 reports, I was asking for a breakdown by means of detection and how many led to prosecutions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D 8 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Well done for trying to find some answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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