Hayden Brown Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 Steve, I think i might just take your advice and order that vintage kitset you suggested. Junior 60 can go on the shelf when it arrives for a rainy day. Let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Hayden, I am certain you will not be disappointed. Yes please let me know. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am123 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Hiya all am new to this forum just looking for some advice on a junior 60 rc plane recently salvaged it from a skip almost complete I have the top half of plan 1 and all of sheet 2 my question is does any 1 have a good photo of plan 1 all I need to see is the top view of the model any help is much appreciated The plane is practically built just rear is slightly damaged 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am123 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 am123 Posted 3 minutes ago Hiya all am new to this forum just looking for some advice on a junior 60 rc plane recently salvaged it from a skip almost complete I have the top half of plan 1 and all of sheet 2 my question is does any 1 have a good photo of plan 1 all I need to see is the top view of the model any help is much appreciated The plane is practically built just rear is slightly damaged 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Hi Adam and welcome to the forum, popular model with some on here, so am sure someone will be able to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Hi Adam, There are several different versions of the Keil Kraft Junior 60: Original 1946 design with a narrow fuselage. Revised 1955 version with wider fuselage for the radio control of the time Ben Buckle Kit Ben Buckle Electric Kit Flair Kit (based on the 1955 version (2. above)) Belair Plans & Parts Set (also sold by SLEC) I'm sure there will be others too. The point is that if you get a plan it may differ from what you have. Cheers, Robin Edited September 4 by Robin Colbourne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Here's a link to download-able via outerzone versions of both original KK versions of the Jnr60. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Davis Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I learned to fly on one of these. I built the first one from a Flair kit and the second one off the plan. I also helped my mate build his from a Ben Buckle kit. I intend to build a very light one over the winter and to power it with a 15 or 2.5cc engine. These are very pleasant and easy models to fly and ideal, in my view, for giving elderly beginners their first taste of radio controlled flight, mind you, they tend to get blown about in a wind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Welcome to the forum! You can download the Junior 60 plan from Outerzone - note that there are several versions including the Ben Buckle kit version for RC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 It would be a good idea to find which plan has been used to build the model. Different original plans show 2 widths of fuselage and these plans have often been modified for RC by Ben Buckle Plans etc. Also some people still use the old method of rubber bands over the dowels to retain U/C while for Rc many prefer glued on tailplanes. Put a picture of your model on here and no doubt you will get some advice on how to procede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) Ben Buckle versions are here while the older narrow fuselage plan is on Outerzone. Why did the model get in the skip? Could it be oil soaked or badly constructed -warped wings or banana shape fuselage? Worth checking before putting too much effort into a basket case job. Edited September 5 by kc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgeflyer Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) For what it's worth my 2 pennorth... I remember drooling over the original KK Junior 60 and Super 60 as a kid and they were unaffordable for me then so as an adult when I found a cheap one on eBay I decided to scratch an old itch! I converted it to electric from the original glow powered model mainly because I have lots of glow powered models and just fancied nice, clean, quiet, easy. Someone had already recovered this one using a couple of pounds of nasty Solartex over all the fuel soaked wood! It was a pretty gruesome job stripping and recovering in a nice doped nylon traditional way and making new glazing but very rewarding and to fly it is pure nostalgia. The worst thing is no real room for a 3s lipo. It sits almost vertically in the cockpit which doesn't look good or authentic. Against that the smooth nose is nicer than originally. It will "hover" into the wind and is beautifully stable with its 3 channel control and large dihedral. I know some have reduced this and put ailerons on but I think that ruins it . To each his own. Mine seemed ancient when I got it but looking at other comments it probably is the wider fuselage version. After about 2 years the oil inside the balsa nose began seeping back through the covering so I had to strip the dope and redope and paint it . I think the BB kit is probably good but my preference would be scratch built from a plan! Edited September 5 by Edgeflyer Add a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I see that there is another thread on restoring this skip find and that others have provided even more comprehensive sources of plans for the Junior 60. Perhaps the Moderators should close this thread and divert attention to the 'Junior 60 salvaged thread' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Why did the model get in the skip? Could it be oil soaked or badly constructed -warped wings or banana shape fuselage? Worth checking before putting too much effort into a basket case job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Duplicated topics merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 5 hours ago, Edgeflyer said: The worst thing is no real room for a 3s lipo. It sits almost vertically in the cockpit which doesn't look good or authentic. Against that the smooth nose is nicer than originally. It will "hover" into the wind and is beautifully stable with its 3 channel control and large dihedral... Mine seemed ancient when I got it but looking at other comments it probably is the wider fuselage version. Here's a link to my Jnr 60 refurb & conversion from ic to electric thread from 12 years ago. You'll see that I managed to modify the nose area in order to be able to house the lipo vertically from inside the cowl. There's a YT video of it's first electric flight, albeit the resolution isn't too good & the "hatcam" was at about 25 degrees off horizontal but it does include a loop a roll & a couple of touch & goes. ☺️ The rear wingspar visible through the covering under the wing of your model confirms that it's the later 1956 wide fuselage version. 👍 Edited September 5 by PatMc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgeflyer Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Yes I see, thanks Pat. My battery is the same angle but going in from under the wing into the nose. I'm not too bothered by it. I may look again next time I fly it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payneib Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 My electric J60 has the 3s 2600 battery mounted horizontally under the nose. Essentially the firewall doesn't go all the way down, and the battery slides in under the cowl. Built to plan from the Ben Buckle kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 My first one had three A123 M1 cells fixed permanently under the engine bearers. They're LiFePo4 so charged in situ. (from Dewalt drill packs). Cant remember if that was enough weight or if it still needed lead, M1's are heavier than LiPo My current one has a lipo vertically in the cabin and loads of car tyre balance weights under the bearers. Both were built originally for IC, a scratch electric build would be better than a conversion, the engine bearers are a pain 😃 Both using Reeds on rudder/ele/throttle. Heres the first one: https://youtu.be/38vrO1fxlJQ?si=KlkU_Dz8mddHON1E&t=157 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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