Jon H Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 As title..someone stole an empty airliner and went for a joy ride complete with aerobatics. He was intercepted by F15 fighters but eventually crashed. Unfortunately he didn't survive but there were no other fatalities The following video is part of the atc communication with him and some video of a half decent split S. In many respects the video makes for difficult listening (its mostly audio) as, to my ear anyway, there was no malice in the 'hijacker' but he was clearly a troubled individual. An unfortunate situation all round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Yes, Very sad case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul devereux Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 ATC were brilliant, as they had to deal with normal traffic at the same time. And very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Marsh Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Will be an interesting Air Crash Investigation episode when it comes out and the investigation the NTSB will be conducting now. Shame he didn't want to land, as he said, he would be a life jail sentence, but when someones mind goes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I understand he was a qualified aircraft technician but not a pilot. As a result of this it does make you wonder if some sort of 'key' system will have to be adopted that is required for actual flight that can be issued by a security process to only designated pilots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMON CRAGG Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Yes, I thought the whole saga was very sad. How low has a person got to get before they do this sort of thing? At least he didn't take any other lives when he crashed. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PatMc Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Posted by Tom Sharp 2 on 12/08/2018 20:09:33: He had learned to fly on simulators as did the 911 perpetrators, makes me think simulators relating to full size flying should be banned. That's not correct. The 911 attackers took flying lessons in Florida, one already held a commercial pilot's licence, he took a refresher course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PatMc Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Richard Russell seems to have picked up his "training" on game simulators. The part of the flight training that the 9/11 terrorists had was on aviation simulators, as is normal for pilots seeking commercial licence qualifications. Banning "simulators relating to full size flying" would set commercial aviation training back 60+ years as well as take away a valuable safety testing tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 BBC News HERE It’s unsettling to think an aircraft can be unattended, unlocked and the “keys left in the ignition” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Posted by cymaz on 13/08/2018 07:32:36: BBC News HERE It’s unsettling to think an aircraft can be unattended, unlocked and the “keys left in the ignition” Not really. Most aircraft dont have keys as such anyway and once airside everyone there is deemed to be safe as they have been security checked and all the rest of it. If this guy was ground maintenance then he needs free access to the aircraft to do the job. Given the rarity of these incidents i think the media are hyping it up. They make it sound like you have parked your car on the high street with the doors open and keys in the ignition. Its really not like that. Much of the reporting, as with most things aviation, has been rubbish. They quote him as asking for a job with alaska if he lands. if you listen to the recording, that was obviously laced with sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Strange thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 It would be interesting to know who's insurance pays out for the destroyed aircraft........the airline's or the man's employer. Think about it......if the garage mechanic takes your car for a joyride whilst you left it for servicing ( or the airport car park firm employee as happened recently ) would you expect to have to claim on your own insurance when it's crashed? Presumably there are precedents already set. Anyway it may force airport baggage handling firms to vet their staff a bit more carefully in future. Edited By kc on 13/08/2018 12:53:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul devereux Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 This is a very, very sad episode. It has nothing to do with security, obviously ground staff and engineers need access to the aircraft to maintain it. Let it rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 AsPaul says. a very case. As for vetting staff, IT sounds as if he just snapped and no vetting can foresee that or hundfreds of perfectly normal people would not be in their jobs now. Edited By Peter Miller on 13/08/2018 13:34:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Guys, I'm with a few others here. Frankly I find some of the comments here insensitive, inappropriate and even rather goulish. I man has died in tragic circumstances where he saw fit to take his own life, I really question if that is a suitable topic for debate and analysis by us armchair critics on here? So, can I ask, like Paul, that we drop this please and let the poor man rest in peace, because there, but for the grace of God, go many others. BEB Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 13/08/2018 13:50:07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Member Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 [This posting has been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon H Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 My intention wasnt to micro analyse and perhaps its gone a little too far. As i said in my first post i actually really feel for the guy. He clearly had problems and it really is tragic he was not able to find a better resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Duncker Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I am impressed with the aircraft staying together. I often wondered if an airliner would stay together through those sort of manouvres. After all a pilot managed to break the fin off an Airbus 300 in level flight just with the rudder pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 As has been requested, and I agree - Thread closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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