RAF's Finest Biplane? Hawker Fury MkI

[Danny Fenton]

For those that are puzzling over servo placement, a typical position is shown in Dicks RCSI article, he placed the servos in easy reach under the cockpit, easy access when the lower wing is removed.

Cheers

Danny

[Jose L. G.]

Hi.

I have a pair of three views on PDF that shows the flat spot in the zone of the windscreen. I`ve send by mail to Danny.

Following.

José L.

[Martian]

Thanks Jose ..

here is the blueprint .com file in jpeg format

[Danny Fenton]

Scale docs is an interesting subject. I think the research done on the Fury especially has shown just how different drawings can be. What may look like a beautifully drawn piece of art may actually be quite innacurate. However you must always have a subject to photograph and measure if you want to produce a scale model.

You may recall we spent some time overlaying a few of the "supposedly" best three views out there, on top of some good profile pictures of the Duxford Fury, only to find even the Westburg had some areas that were a little weak. But by far closer than any of the others.

So if you want to build a scale model, take photographs and draw your own plan

That said, I am sure if we build the Fury as Dennis intended, as indeed Richard has, we will have a model this is unmistably a Fury and that will fly really well. So, onward and upward

Cheers

Danny

[McG 6969]

Hi Danny,

Did you decide already if you're going to keep the 'flat topped' F6 or using your 'new' rounded top one?

Cheers

Chris

[Ernie]

Hi all, It might be worth considering the base of the windscreen frames in the brass sheets. I based them on the plan which shows a wee flat bit

Also, I have reinforced the wing TE with a 1mm carbon rod. It makes it much more rigid, and gives a nice sharp edge

ernie

[Martyn K]

Another error on the plan.

The aileron horn and linkage is shown too far out (by 2 bays). According to the Duxford Fury, it should be in the same bay as the struts and rigging points

Martyn

[Danny Fenton]

Hi Martyn, yes you are right, a point for you an easy modfication for those that want to alter that detail. I reckon the horn is on the hinge point.

Chris, I think I am going to go with my new version of F6, being flat topped is not really the issue it is the bulged sides at around 10'Oclock and 2 O'clock. I will post a PDF to the group via E-Mail. I am still musing over what to make it from, ply or balsa

Cheers

Danny

[McG 6969]

Thanks, Danny.

If you keep on musing regarding the wood choice for F6, why not having a lamination of both. Say a sandwich of 2x 0,8mm ply with a 1,5mm balsa bit in between.

Yes, I know, but can't help it. I just love laminations...

Cheers

Chris

[Danny Fenton]

So do I Chris, so do I. But I dont think ply is really needed?

Cheers

Danny

[McG 6969]

No idea if ply is 'needed', Danny.

You're The Master, ain't it?

Being at the front of the cockpit bay, maybe the thin ply would be 'easier' to build up the cockpit/instrument details??? Dunno, really.

Cheers

Chris

[Silver Wolf]

As regards to the fidelity of any scale documentation just a few thoughts.

When this model was designed there would be no easy access to photos or drawings that we have today and nobody would have been using CAD.

Today with a few clicks of the mouse we can be inundated with information. Thus if we really want an accurate scale model then the only way is to design it from scratch.

Somtimes its hard to take a step back from all the information and be content with a model that is not 100% scale fidelity, especialy from the surface detail that modern digital cameras provide.

At least with all the information we have a choice on how much or little we add, although not sure if its a bleesing or a curse.

Just like to say thanks to the guys you have taken the time to download the photos from their vist.

Regards

SW

[McG 6969]

Thanks a lot for the .pdf of the formers drawings, Chief.

Cheers

Chris

[Danny Fenton]

You are quite right SW, it is very easy for us to pick fault, but with the information to hand in 1975 Dennis did an excellent job.

We are just too fussy aren't we

[Tony Bennett]

some of us are yes.

i would be happy if it just looked like a fury.

Tony B

[Daithi O Buitigh]

Don't overlook the fact that the photos are of 'restored' aircraft and there are discrepancies. Look at any photo from the '30s and at the current example - where did the tailwheel come from? The originals had a skid. It's like the restored 'Blenheim' - that's a Mk IV Canadian Bolingbroke with a Mk I nose. The Ju53/rm was originally a 3Mw (floatplane) and the only original bit is one wing. The Shuttleworth 'Pup' is actually a 'Dove' (with one cockpit faired over). The list goes on, so I wouldn't be too fussed as to 'accuracy' - even the full size ones aren't accurate.

[Danny Fenton]

I collated the Flickr pics into one post to make it easier to find.

David Whitworths Fury I K5674 Duxford

Martyns Fury 1 K5674 Duxford 2018

Dannys Pics Duxford October 2018
Fury I
Nimrod I
Nimrod II

Tony also has some pics but he hasn't uploaded them yet.

If anybody has more that should be added then let me know

Cheers

Danny

[Tony Bennett]

**LINK**

Here are mine.

Tony B

[Danny Fenton]

Thanks Tony that is brilliant.

I bet there is still a shot we missed

[Martian]

Well I wanted a challenge but this takes the biscuit i,m all for studying a comp!ex plan but when the formers don't match the formers match the plan but don't match the build ah well just keep trying

[Danny Fenton]

Did you get my e-mail with my versions of the formers? I am not saying they are right, but they look like the shape lofts smoothly, which at the end of the day is all we need.
If you need anything at all just shout, or send a pm. That goes for everyone
Cheers
Danny

[Martian]

Yes I did thanks Danny , i,m closely studying everyone progress particularly yours . There is a lot of difference between your comers and mine i don't know which plan Dylan used . What i,m going to do is fit the formers build my Airfix fury then pack up or sand as necessary to get the correct shape of at least a good blend . It is frustrating that I can't get a decent workflow going .

[Danny Fenton]

Ah yes you had Dylan cut some parts.
Cheers
Danny

[Danny Fenton]

I need to ask your opinion regarding the litho plate work intended for the cowls.

As I have got further into the build it is becoming obvious that this model will not be as accurate as I had hoped, and I don't think good enough to compete in a scale comp. It will be a lovely model still, but just not accurate enough for F4B.

With that in mind it might make things a lot easier to forego the litho plate work on the cowl and opt for the much simpler alloy tape route. As I am doing the Nimrod then I just simply need to paint the cowling.

I had comtted to showing you how to do this but I know only a few were going to try it. Can I have some feedback on whether we can drop to the simpler method. I may still show the process but at the moment it is greatly affecting how I approach the cowling area.

Cheers

Danny

[Ernie]

Hi Danny

That polished alloy finishis so fantastic, It must be worth giving it a try. I reckon that there are several possibilities. None of them seem easy

1 litho plate...Ive tried this, and it's not so easy to work. Maybe a skilled metalworker could produce the goods, but personally I'd leave it alone

2 mick reeves stick on aluminium. The results on the web certainly look fantastic, I think its time to order a wee bit and try it out

3 aluminium tape. This seems the easiest option. Cheap too.

4 paint. I understand that there are some very good products available. Not B&Q aluminium paint, but highly specialised stuff. Maybe someone has experience of this

Reckon it's time for some experiments

ernie