RottenRow Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Danny Fenton said: A modeller has been in touch he is restoring a DBS&S Auster and is struggling to find Vivak in .5mm anybody know of a source in the UK, I guess as Richard puts it in the kits he must have it? Hi Danny, I bought mine from a company called Eileen’s Emporium, they supply a lot of materials for model railway builders and architectural modellers. Mine came from an exhibition a couple of years ago but they have it listed on their website as clear PETG sheet, including 0.5mm thickness. https://www.eileensemporium.com/materials-for-modellers/category/eileens-clear-styrene-petg-sheet Lots of other goodies on the site too. Brian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurice northcott Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Open question: What glue do you use for PETG and/or Vivak when used for sticking (a) to balsa or other wood, and (b) for sticking to composite eg epoxy glass/polyester glass? TIA Edited January 21, 2022 by maurice northcott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenRow Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I use R/C Modeller’s Glue from Deluxe Materials for fixing windows to balsa and ply. I don’t recall ever having glued clear sheet to glass fibre but the same adhesive should work here too. https://deluxematerials.co.uk/products/r-c-modellers-canopy-glue Vivak is a brand name for PETG from one particular manufacturer. Others are no doubt available. That supplied by Eileen’s mentioned previously was branded Vivak on the light blue peel-off protective coating. Brian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurice northcott Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Thanks very much Brian, much appreciated. I have used acetate over the past century or so, but that is getting scarce, or at the places I try it is. Cheers maurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, RottenRow said: Hi Danny, I bought mine from a company called Eileen’s Emporium, they supply a lot of materials for model railway builders and architectural modellers. Mine came from an exhibition a couple of years ago but they have it listed on their website as clear PETG sheet, including 0.5mm thickness. https://www.eileensemporium.com/materials-for-modellers/category/eileens-clear-styrene-petg-sheet Lots of other goodies on the site too. Brian. Hi Brian, unfortunately I need a sheet 31cm wide, they don't go that big sadly But thanks anyway Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Hi Chaps sorry for the slow response, been prepping batteries for an indoor session tomorrow, prepping for the Scale Indoor Nats in April. As others have said Deluxe materials RC Modellers glue, or Pacer formula 560 should work with any surface. It's what I have always used, takes forever to dry, and leaves a very slight gummy bond, allows for flex. Vivak does seem to be quite special if you can get it. I have used other PETG and maybe I will have to see if I can find something else. Thanks again for the help Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 PETG available here 0.5mm Clear Thin PETG Plastic Sheet 7 Sizes to Choose Model Making Dolls House Windows (420mm x 297mm / A3) : Amazon.co.uk in sizes up to 2500 x 1250mm. GDB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Caveman said: PETG available here 0.5mm Clear Thin PETG Plastic Sheet 7 Sizes to Choose Model Making Dolls House Windows (420mm x 297mm / A3) : Amazon.co.uk in sizes up to 2500 x 1250mm. GDB Well spotted that man, 2 sheets on order ? Quite pricey, but needs must. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Got an email from Richard at DBS&S they sell sheets of .5mm Product information PETG Clear Plastic Sheet. PETG has properties which make it excellent for use in demanding applications such as shielding and displays. 0.5 mm 333x400mm 1.00 mm 330x457mm Impact resistant Weather resistant Does not snap or crack Resistant to chemicals Has Protective film on both sides about a fiver plus post Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mallam. Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Hi Danny, your comments about lack of banter and general forum participation have certainly caused a stir - so you can count that a success! I was on the Fury build and did complete the model, although to nothing like your standard. Sorry to say that it came to an end on maiden down to pilot error...! Just to reassure you that I am following you closely on the Auster build, but someway behind. Please keep up the extremely good work - it's much appreciated. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Richard Mallam. said: Hi Danny, your comments about lack of banter and general forum participation have certainly caused a stir - so you can count that a success! I was on the Fury build and did complete the model, although to nothing like your standard. Sorry to say that it came to an end on maiden down to pilot error...! Just to reassure you that I am following you closely on the Auster build, but someway behind. Please keep up the extremely good work - it's much appreciated. Richard Hi Richard that is sad news on the Fury, they were a nice model to build a bit fiddly. Still haven't fitted a satellite receiver in mine to have another go. Have to wait until the spring now. Yes the upturn in banter certainly keeps the enthusiasm going, but so does just clicking on the like button tbh, at least I know somebody is watching. What are you building now to top the Fury? Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Mallam. Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Danny, I am on the case with my Auster build - see pic. Wings are finished complete with your flaps. but as yet not covered. Using Ceconite fabric which I find is slightly easier than Koverall. Seems not to fray so much and pinking shears help. Covering on fuse' has yet to be doped. It has just had a very light blow with the heat gun. Rudder will be close looped, but have just realised that I will have to move the servos to accomodate.....Elevator movement is as per the plan instructions. Richard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Wow that looks ace Richard, we are going to have to be careful as to a subject. I am struggling but think I am going to do G-AGTO I believe another forum member has done Echo Echo (G-AJEE) So if we ever all get together for that formation pass we ought to try and be unique? I am pleased you got on okay with the Ceconite, it's different that's for sure. Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Been a bit wrapped to do much on the Auster, had a great indoor scale flying session at the weekend so no building done. Did post another How-To video on Litho work on my Auster if anybody is having trouble sleeping..... I have got a bit closer to the shape of the windscreen, I have moved to very thin loose leaf binder acetate, useless as a windscreen but good to keep messing around trimming etc. I will add some litho frames to glue too, check fit one more time then cut the genuine Vivak. Cheers Danny Edited January 24, 2022 by Danny Fenton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Are the pink things sticking out the top GPS / VTX aerials Danny? ? Just remembered what they are, Position Indicating Navigation System. Edited January 24, 2022 by Ron Gray Remembered what they are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 You got it lolol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Somerville Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 That windshield looks a very fiddly shape to achieve! Almost the appearance of compound curvature but apparently not! Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Not quite there yet Nick lol on to acetate No 3 but we are very close. If I can make it form easily without any force we should be onto a winner with the heavier material. Need to take a thin sliver out the middle now..... trouble you alter one bit and it messes with another. But you are right it looks complex but it isn't, no compound curves were harmed in the making of this windshield ? I think they just gently heated Perspex and draped it over a felt form, but I would love to see details. Cheers Danny Edited January 24, 2022 by Danny Fenton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Williams Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 When I worked on full sized vintage aircraft I fitted several replacement screens on Austers. No idea how the replacements were made, but they arrived ready formed, mostly fairly accurately, and an inch or two oversize all round. No-one else wanted the job of trimming and drilling the holes for mounting screws as they thought they would crack or split the very expensive screen, so the job always fell to me. It would take ages, trimming tiny bits off at a time, and as you say Danny, trim one bit and it messes up another. Really enjoying following the build by the way. I’m building something different but have also just spent several days on instrument panels - it has two, and open cockpits, so they have to look reasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) That's fascinating David, and I am really glad you are still enjoying this mayhem. There will be a video on two panels being made, first I wasn't happy with, will go public at 8pm on Friday ? Two open cockpits eh? British trainer perhaps? Moth? Going back to full size, do you know how and who makes the screens, there must still be a niche market for such things? I recall my Dad not being terribly happy about fitting windshields either, only now am I realising why! Nearly there No 4 is very close and I am tempted to hit the heavy material..... Interstingly that PETG that was pointed out to me the other day, sorry can't remember who spotted it, arrived and its 4.6mm thick as opposed to the kit material that is 5.6mm thick, both advertised as 5mm lol. I am tempted to try the thinner first ? Cheers Danny Edited January 24, 2022 by Danny Fenton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan p Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 May the gods of window screens smile upon you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Danny Fenton said: its 4.6mm thick as opposed to the kit material that is 5.6mm thick, both advertised as 5mm Are you sure? I have been looking at SLEC and theirs is advertised at 0.5 mm. Big sheets also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) My micrometer doesn't lie. I DID NOT buy any from SLEC. Mine came from an Amazon link given by Caveman, on the previous page, advertised as .5mm but .46 clearly is rounded up. The DBS&S stuff is advertised as .5mm and is .56mm But it could be old stock as the kit I got was at least 5 years old. Anyway it doesn't matter. Noticed in the previous posts the decimal point error lol Clearly you all kept up...... Cheers Danny Edited January 24, 2022 by Danny Fenton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 A gentle heating might release the tension causing the bind up...or it could turn it into a molten blob of plastic. You've my thoughts and prayers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 I don't think any heat will be needed, once its the right shape it will be fine. It is a shame when you get a kit you expect the difficult areas like this to have been addressed, as nobody else has ever complained re the shape then I must have just got a mis-cut one. Anyway as I say we are virtually there now with test template no 4. Cheers Danny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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