DaveB1 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 Not much progress today and a holiday will stop play - off to Malta in the morning for a week 🙂 Bit of filler around the fuz, and applied tge joining bandage on the wings. I used slightly thinned PVA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 (edited) Ok, back to it after a brief holiday in Malta. Amazing to see the fortifications and the sieges they endured. Interesting to see 'Faith' - one of three Gladiator aircraft that defended the island against more modern Italian attacks. I've not tried brown paper covering before so decided to have a go and started on the tail. I used Tesco brown paper. Everything laid out ready to go Pasted the lower tailplane pieces, I used a Screwfix water resistant PVA, thinned just a touch with a few drops of water. Applied to the surface, lightly smoothed by hand, then run over with an Iron on a fairly low setting Trimmed, wrapped and Ironed around the edges Similar process for the fin. So easy to cut accurate pieces before applying More trimming and ironing. Just needed to apply a little extra glue to a couple of dry edges. Job done !! Well for the tail anyway. Wow, that was so easy to do. Smoothing and Ironing was straightforward, trimming the soggy glued edges was a little messy (keep a damp cloth handy to keep wiping the knife / scissors clean), but all was very quick and an order of magnitude easier and less messy than epoxy / glass. On to the rest...... Edited January 10 by DaveB1 Sorry edited.... Gladiator not Swordwish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipo Man Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, DaveB1 said: Ok, back to it after a brief holiday in Malta. Amazing to see the fortifications and the sieges they endured. Interesting to see 'Faith' - one of three Swordfish aircraft that defended the island against more modern Italian attacks. I've not tried brown paper covering before so decided to have a go and started on the tail. I used Tesco brown paper. Everything laid out ready to go Pasted the lower tailplane pieces, I used a Screwfix water resistant PVA, thinned just a touch with a few drops of water. Applied to the surface, lightly smoothed by hand, then run over with an Iron on a fairly low setting Trimmed, wrapped and Ironed around the edges Similar process for the fin. So easy to cut accurate pieces before applying More trimming and ironing. Just needed to apply a little extra glue to a couple of dry edges. Job done !! Well for the tail anyway. Wow, that was so easy to do. Smoothing and Ironing was straightforward, trimming the soggy glued edges was a little messy (keep a damp cloth handy to keep wiping the knife / scissors clean), but all was very quick and an order of magnitude easier and less messy than epoxy / glass. On to the rest...... Definitely looking neater than mine. Excellent! Think I had the iron too hot today - too many patches not stuck. 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Not my turn to try this yet, but if I was doing this in glass, I would have a 3inch radiator roll to hand, and roll the paper out, chuck the foam roller after use. Then heat to stick it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 Bit more on the fuselage Cut out the shapes Few mins later, all on, relatively smooth and fingers just wipe clean 🙂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Forgive me but, how do you finish the prevailing surface, and with what please ?. I am a stranger to the use of brown paper. I assume this is an alternative to film!!. Thanks in advance. Bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) You just use it in the same way that you would standard covering film the only real differences are that you apply it ‘damp’, smooth it down then iron and it doesn’t stretch like covering film. Edited January 11 by Ron Gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Am I correct in assuming that it is for solid surfaces like a fuse' , and not used on a ribbed surface ie wings. What do you finish it with ie paint/dope. What is the advantage of using it?. Sorry to load you up with a load of questions but I have seen mention of it before and often wondered about its use. Thanks in advance Bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Squirrel Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On the right model it can be a cheaper, easier to apply finish than film. It can be painted with standard emulsion type paints. If you look that the 'The big question' thread there's a fair bit of info on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Thanks flying squirrel , you could not have picked a big one, 40 pages. I dont suppose you have any idea say 1/4 way ,1/2 any guesses, as its a lot to go through.( This is not a moan, just a plea for guidance) Thanks I am finding the brown paper thing interesting. Bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD WILLS Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Basil , If you go back to page 18 in the "The Big Question " thread you will be able to find me discussing the method of brown papering in depth . Ive probably covered a few hundred planes so had plenty of experience . Ive also demonstrated it at various clubs , so possibly the instigator of a whole trend . Chris Gold did it before me , but in a different way in that he used small pieces and never ironed them on because his models were made of blue foam which would have melted on heat application . You can use brown paper on an open structure , but straw type grass stalks could puncture it if you are unlucky . Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Thanks Richard bas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Squirrel Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 RW beat me to it but yes, it's a big thread so I understand your plea!.... If you also keep an eye on this thread I believe Ron will soon be doing a bit of a tutorial on the subject as he builds the now infamous WR FW190 the way it was designed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Adding a little more (semi) scale detail.. Rolled a strip of card and glued in to represent the exhausts. Dummy exhaust vents out of balsa strip Then used gold gorilla glue to fit the gun cover and cowl. Lots of masking tape to secure (hope it doesn't remove the brown paper) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD WILLS Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Nice touches Dave . I like the fact that people can choose to add or ignore the details, but at the same time you are showing that they are well within everyone's ability . I think that there is a current reluctance to deviate from the "company line" , but when a few little experiments prove to be successful , then further experimentation builds confidence and hence enjoyment . In a way , isnt that what "proper" building is about ? ie adding a bit of yourself . My job is to provide the firm foundations, but I enjoy seeing this kind of addition . Great job Dave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipo Man Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, RICHARD WILLS said: Nice touches Dave . I like the fact that people can choose to add or ignore the details, but at the same time you are showing that they are well within everyone's ability . I think that there is a current reluctance to deviate from the "company line" , but when a few little experiments prove to be successful , then further experimentation builds confidence and hence enjoyment . In a way , isnt that what "proper" building is about ? ie adding a bit of yourself . My job is to provide the firm foundations, but I enjoy seeing this kind of addition . Great job Dave I must say some of these modifications are very inspiring! As I already know I am going to do some modifications after completion (retracts added in due course) I think I’ll also add a few of these scale detail additions. A model is never truly “finished” after all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Added a bit more detail of what I guess is armour plating behind the cockpit, and gave the fuz a dusting of primer. Really starts to look something now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARD WILLS Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Mmm ! Looking mighty fine Dave . As I said before , nobody has to do all the mods , but even if you just try one it will add something . Its all part of the fun isnt it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 I wanted to print some simple instrument panels but my printer chose this moment to play up - strange colours and banding lines. After an hour of fruitlessly trying to clean the print head I gave up and over painted the best copies. Added a bit of dark coloured string for a cockpit surround and mounted 'Siegfried' I then glued on the Canopy. I used Canopy glue, with Masking tape to pull it down and a couple of clamps to squeeze in the rear section. While that's drying I moved back to the wings and thought I'd cut the finger holes for launching. When I planned where to put them I recognised that they could be close to the undercarriage area, so have decided to cut out and line wheel wells where the exposed tyres would show. I can then paint these wells black The bits of wood are just packers to hold the lining in place as the expanding gorilla glue goes off 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipo Man Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, DaveB1 said: I wanted to print some simple instrument panels but my printer chose this moment to play up - strange colours and banding lines. After an hour of fruitlessly trying to clean the print head I gave up and over painted the best copies. Added a bit of dark coloured string for a cockpit surround and mounted 'Siegfried' I then glued on the Canopy. I used Canopy glue, with Masking tape to pull it down and a couple of clamps to squeeze in the rear section. While that's drying I moved back to the wings and thought I'd cut the finger holes for launching. When I planned where to put them I recognised that they could be close to the undercarriage area, so have decided to cut out and line wheel wells where the exposed tyres would show. I can then paint these wells black The bits of wood are just packers to hold the lining in place as the expanding gorilla glue goes off Wow. That cockpit looks amazing. My plan to “just build it and fly it” may need revisiting… 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 23 minutes ago, Lipo Man said: Wow. That cockpit looks amazing. My plan to “just build it and fly it” may need revisiting… 🤔 I did just build it and fly it, and in the air I can't see the cockpit, on the ground I see very little of the cockpit as the plane lives in the shed. However I applaud those who go the extra mile to add realism . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipo Man Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Eric Robson said: I did just build it and fly it, and in the air I can't see the cockpit, on the ground I see very little of the cockpit as the plane lives in the shed. However I applaud those who go the extra mile to add realism . I think I’ll build and fly initially, but assuming I don’t destroy it on the maiden I’ll add details slowly later. Which means the canopy will be attached with elastic bands for the maiden! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightypeesh Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 excellent work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon McConnell Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 DaveB1, Excellent finishing touch on the cockpit. I am going to at least put a pilot in mine as I think it does improve realism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 Canopy has stuck well all round - that's a bonus ! Moved back to the wings.. I'm completely sold on this brown paper covering, so easy to apply and get a vood surface, even over the contoured wingtips. Just some gentle pulling and ironing, no multiple cuts required 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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