Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Posted by PatMc on 22/07/2018 15:40:47: Under 7Kg @ 400ft ceiling : result misery Logic : eludes me. You're the first one here to mention misery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Posted by Gordon Whitehead 1 on 22/07/2018 18:11:03: Posted by PatMc on 22/07/2018 15:40:47: Under 7Kg @ 400ft ceiling : result misery Logic : eludes me. You're the first one here to mention misery No, I'm the just first that's used that word for what's been described on this thread several times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 9 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Posted by PatMc on 22/07/2018 18:31:46: Posted by Gordon Whitehead 1 on 22/07/2018 18:11:03: Posted by PatMc on 22/07/2018 15:40:47: Under 7Kg @ 400ft ceiling : result misery Logic : eludes me. You're the first one here to mention misery No, I'm the just first that's used that word for what's been described on this thread several times. I used to fly at a club that already had those restrictions (for other reasons) not misery it was still adequate for most sport flyers. and also reduced some other issues that I have seen other clubs suffer from such as noise Edited By Phil 9 on 22/07/2018 19:32:25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Back in the 1970s at RAF Brize Norton we flew from one side of the airfield, with VC10s and Hercs operating on the main runway. ATC would usually, but not always, fire off a flare to warn us to land when a big 'un was inbound or about to leave. Nobody must have thought then about a height restriction. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I used to fly at a club on an RAF airfield which hosted an ATC Volunteer Glider School. After about 20 years of problem-free flying we suddenly had a 300ft altitude restriction imposed at the whim of an incoming school commandant. No misery, we just got on with it of course. But depending on what you flew your flying style might have had to change somewhat, not least those who liked to fly thermal-hunting gliders. Edited By Gordon Whitehead 1 on 22/07/2018 20:19:02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Posted by Piers Bowlan on 22/07/2018 07:49:23: I hope you do complete your JP design Gordon as I have a Wren 44 and a JP would be just the ticket for it. A clubmate is relying on me doing a plan, Piers, so I'll get on with it soon and probably do a build thread too. It'll be a JP5A which allows the choice of with/without tip tanks, and whether or not to decorate and equip as a Strikemaster. Apologies for delayed response. Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Looks like similar moves are being made in the US to hear to gain access to the airspace below 1000ft for commercial use; the commercial drone industry is looking for the repeal of section 336 that protects the rights of model flyers. I know Bruce Simpson can be an acquired taste, but look past that and watch the sections from the committee hearing itself to which the AMA was allegedly not invited - it’s pretty hideous stuff... Edited By MattyB on 23/07/2018 00:18:29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Bowlan Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I will look forward to that JP5A build thread Gordon and as you say, plenty of colour schemes to choose from. Perhaps an article for RCM&E would go down well too. I think the altitude restriction is all about taking reasonable care, not flying in controlled airspace or deliberately endangering other airspace users. Until all GA, military aircraft and RPAS (that's us too) are fitted with GPS based altitude reporting + data link, vertical separation is going to be by Mk1 eyeball, so not very accurate at all. 'See and avoid' is the name of the game for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Posted by MattyB on 23/07/2018 00:16:07: Looks like similar moves are being made in the US to hear to gain access to the airspace below 1000ft for commercial use; the commercial drone industry is looking for the repeal of section 336 that protects the rights of model flyers. I know Bruce Simpson can be an acquired taste, but look past that and watch the sections from the committee hearing itself to which the AMA was allegedly not invited - it’s pretty hideous stuff... Playable video to make it a bit easier to view... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Good for Bruce to to bring this to everyone's attention - very good question.....where was (is) the AMA? Love Bruce's comment about the AMA off for the summer, sipping mint juleps!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 WOW! That video was a real conversation stopper! Is everyone just too gobsmacked, or has everyone gone on holiday? OK, let's attempt to cheer things up with another video which shows my miserable attempt at doing an unscripted uncoordinated aerobatic sequence within a 300ft height restriction back in 2011. Due to other defined "no fly" areas (this was on an airfield too !!) the entire box was about 300 yards long by 200 yards across, just a bit bigger than the sheep field I fly in these days. It's just possible that I did stray a bit out of the "box" on occasion, but not by much. My thanks to Harry Curzon on camera for staying on his feet when he should have been dizzy, and filming each of the two flights in its entirety so there was no need for stitching bits together. It's not pretty! Here's hoping we get the required height exemption. Gordon Edited By Pete B - Moderator on 24/07/2018 16:12:34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Skilbeck Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Exemption granted , keep calm and carry on. Well done to all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Well done all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Dunn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Great job... That was cutting it fine. .. and "autonomous" and "multi rotor" seem to be their final definitions for "drone". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 As expected, all is well. Well done to all involved Hopefully that's an end to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Great result. Well done everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Many thanks to the modelling organisations involved and to the CAA for their understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 24/07/2018 22:55:22: Exemption granted , keep calm and carry on. Well done to all involved. Frank, where did you find this document? I cannot find it on the CAA's website to which I would like to point folk. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by Peter Jenkins on 25/07/2018 00:00:18: Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 24/07/2018 22:55:22: Exemption granted , keep calm and carry on. Well done to all involved. Frank, where did you find this document? I cannot find it on the CAA's website to which I would like to point folk. Peter Peter. See **LINK** Links in the article. Only issued this afternoon so it's likely the CAA haven't got round to putting them on their website yet. Edited By Andy Symons - BMFA on 25/07/2018 00:19:46 Edited By Andy Symons - BMFA on 25/07/2018 00:20:06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Thanks Andy. Good work by the Model Flying Associations and Dave Phipps in particular. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARPERFECT Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Now we have a line drawn in the sand, and the CAA have clarified what a drone is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Well done BMFA and colleague organisations that have worked so hard to achieve this excellent result. It is good to see the proof that they have the ability and credibility to operate effectively at this level and you might wonder where on earth we would have been without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Lomax Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 There are actually two exemptions granted …. One for all model aircraft flown "traditionally" - ie. Line of Sight for the operator up to 7Kg with no height limit, excluding multirotors, and one for FPV flight with a competent observer up to 3.5kg with a limit of 1000 feet, again excluding multirotors. More details and links to the CAA documents here: https://www.bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2533/Update-on-changes-to-UK-Regulations-and-the-400ft-height-limit These were issued at 5:17 pm yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterF Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Great news. I went out a couple of days ago with my 3.1m lightweight glider when there were abundant thermals and had an excellent afternoon flying, never below 400ft for close to an hour, thinking is this the last time so I made the most of it. Now I (and many others) can continue with what for me (us) is an extremely enjoyable type of flying. Thanks to everyone involved, the exemption is I believe everything we could hope for in terms of conventional model flying, i.e. not restricted to notified flying sites etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wright Stuff Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 24/07/2018 22:55:22: Exemption granted , keep calm and carry on. Well done to all involved. Sigh. If only that link was the second post in this thread! It's the previous 33 pages that are making me read and weep!!! Well done to those involved, and to those not involved - show some faith, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich too Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Great news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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